NBA The 2017 NBA Finals. Cavaliers & Warriors 3: pls llke this rivalry, pls

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  1. Rick52

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    Go- oh, right

    Conference Quarterfinals
    Western Conference
    1. Golden State Warriors: 4
    8. Portland Trail Blazers: 0

    4. Los Angeles Clippers: 3
    5. Utah Jazz: 4

    3. Houston Rockets: 4
    6. Oklahoma City Thunder: 1

    2. San Antonio Spurs: 4
    7. Memphis Grizzlies: 2

    Eastern Conference
    1. Boston Celtics: 4
    8. Chicago Bulls: 2

    4. Washington Wizards: 4
    5. Atlanta Hawks: 2

    3. Toronto Raptors: 4
    6. Milwaukee Bucks: 2

    2. Cleveland Cavaliers: 4
    7. Indiana Pacers: 0

    Conference Semifinals
    Western Conference

    1. Golden State Warriors: 4
    5. Utah Jazz: 0

    2. San Antonio Spurs: 4
    3. Houston Rockets: 2

    Eastern Conference
    1. Boston Celtics: 4
    4. Washington Wizards: 3

    2. Cleveland Cavaliers: 4
    3. Toronto Raptors: 0

    Conference Finals
    Western Conference

    1. Golden State Warriors: 4
    2. San Antonio Spurs: 0

    Eastern Conference

    1. Boston Celtics: 1
    2. Cleveland Cavaliers: 4

    The 2017 NBA Finals
    The 2015 NBA Champion Golden State Warriors
    vs
    The 2016 NBA Champion Cleveland Cavaliers
     
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  2. Jon

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    Boston Celtics. Worst 1 seed in NBA history. You should put their records in just for emphasis.
     
  3. The Eye in the Sky!

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    Call me in a month when the Cavs and Warriors series starts.
     
  4. Northern Lights

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    Let's see if the Jazz can do something this year.
     
  5. Jon

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    And that's the reason why I don't think I'll ever care about the NBA. The regular season is six months off meaninglessness just playing good enough to get a spot in the playoffs. Then one month of resting every one of your starters because they are overpaid, primadonna asshats that need to not play for a month. Then the playoffs are one month of crap that always ends with the top two teams playing in the finals.

    The first 8 months of an NBA season is meaningless. It always ends with the same teams. Every 5 years or so two new teams emerge because everyone's contract comes up and the top 10 players all decide to split their services among those two teams...
     
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    Thus begins the longest and most annoying playoff series of the year. 2 full months of playoff basketball. Kill me now. Why half of the teams in the NBA can make the playoffs in the first place is beyond me.
     
  7. Tubby23

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    Looking forward to the eventual Spurs-Cavs Finals
     
  8. Jon

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    I just want the Cavs to lose. That's it. I'll even tolerate the Warriors winning it all. So long as James loses, I'll be happy.
     
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    Lame reasoning...
     
  10. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I'm the other way. I can't stand what Golden State has become, partial because of Durant but mostly because their fans. I know New England fans get that same treatment and it may be hypocritical to do it back to another obnoxious fan base... but they bother me like Seahawk fans. I remember when people from California actively wanted Golden State to be gone and were a joke and now they act like they are lifetime fans.

    At least Cleveland in general seems to have a more loyal and longtime fanbase that I can root for. I don't care for LeBron but the way he can just carry a team year after year is just amazing.

    So I'd like Cleveland to continue beating the Warriors.

    Unless the Spurs can get past the Warriors. Then forget Cleveland. GO SPURS!
     
  11. Jon

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    To you.

    I really don't like LeBron James. At all. And on any level. I respect his ability, but I don't like him. I want him to lose. And I don't care who beats him. Even the manufactured Warriors.

    Besides, I like Curry. I actually like Durant. I don't hate the Warriors the way most fans do (especially in this area). I actually like the Warriors and wanted them to win if the Celtics don't make it (they won't). See, I know in basketball teams are going to be manufactured to win. I also know, no one comes to Boston willingly because basketball is a winter sport not named hockey. So franchise success is irrelevant to getting a player here. In the end, I like the Warriors. That's more than sufficient reasoning for me to want them to beat the Cavs. James is an arrogant, self-centered piece of manure in my opinion. So his success bothers me. To some, that's hypocritical because I like the Warriors. To them I say, you don't have to agree with my opinion, you can have your own.
     
  12. Rick52

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    y-you know, the C-celtics could st-still win
     
  13. The Eye in the Sky!

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    *Everyone laughs at Rick*
     
  14. Jon

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    As much as I doubt it, man, hearing Thomas' speech from his sister's funeral was heart-wrenching. It's really no wonder why he wasn't at his best in games 1 and 2 against the Bulls. He said he wanted to quit and give up. Now he's like a possessed beast. To go through that, and that emotional wrench and come back less than 24 hours later and perform as he did last night? That's the type of player that lifts his whole team. The Celtics play for Isaiah Thomas. And they are all supporting him now. That type of emotion and lift is what made Garnett so damn good. It wouldn't surprise me, at this point, if the Celtics DO have a legitimate chance. That kind of boost is not to be taken lightly. I'm not delusional. I don't think they will, but I think they could. I wouldn't be surprised.

    I've never felt this way before, but IT is legit. Give him a max contract and don't think twice. Keep him here. His presence this playoffs will be something that others will WANT to play with him. IT gives the Celtics the best chance to actually lure someone here.
     
  15. The Eye in the Sky!

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    Holy crap that game was amazing yesterday. I think everyone is playing for IT. That was quite a showing.
     
  16. Jon

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    I didn't get to watch it because I've been so busy, but I heard about the performance. And it was his late sister's 23rd birthday? I think they will get past the Wizards, but could they legitimately have a chance against the Cavs with this emotion? If the refs don't give LeBron his typical superstar treatment where you can't sneeze on him (and thus call a fair game... yeah, yeah, I know), I think they *could.
     
  17. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I think if the team rallies around IT and he can play like he has the last few games then they might have a shot to get it to 6 or 7 games. Still can't see them winning, though. That's a lot of heavy lifting needed by too many players.
     
  18. Jon

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    I agree completely. It's nice to see IT buck the trend though. Last couple years teams just focus in on him and stop him from scoring. Then the Celtics lack of secondary scoring did them in. However, this year, not only are the secondary scorers stepping up and doing more, but IT is just still pounding through and scoring himself. It's been fun to watch him this playoff run, no doubt.
     
  19. The Eye in the Sky!

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    Haha, Celtics got the #1 pick the day after advancing to the ECF. It was starting to get depressing as Boston hasn't had anything great happen in sports in 3 months.

    Welp, time to get destroyed by LeBron.

    On a serious note, I'm so bummed that Kawhi Leonard got hurt because they were actually dominating GS up until that point. Now they just got blown out without him and really don't have a chance anymore. Totally sucks since SA was the only team that had an outside shot of knocking off either GS or Cleveland.
     
  20. Jon

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    Man, I was starting to think how depressed I was I couldn't watch the Celtics last night, because I do like watching sports at this level. Now that we've cut the cord, I'm feeling that squeeze with the Celtics. Then I checked the halftime score and it was 61-35 or something like that and all my fears went away.

    If nothing else, this playoffs is proving to me once again, how much I hate James. He is single-handedly the most arrogant on the court scumbag I've ever witnessed. This entire playoffs, he's dialed up the cocky, prickness to a 15. Spinning the ball in people's faces, mockingly shooting off hand, backing people down and dribbling through his legs... I get it, he's a great player, but shit like that isn't cute, it isn't endearing. I look forward to him doing that against Draymond Green, who would just give him a swift cup check. This attitude and behavior is why, to me, James will NEVER be the greatest ever. Because for as big of an asshole as he was, I don't remember Jordan ever pulling this crap in a game. The worst thing I remember in a game was him once telling Muggsy Bogues to "Shoot the ball, midget." Trash talking is one thing. On court arrogance is another, to me.

    I don't care who beats him, as long as someone does.
     
  21. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I can see both sides of it. I kind of enjoy LeBron doing that kind of stuff because I think its funny that he is so much more talented than anyone else on the floor and he knows it - but I also hate that he can because he formed super teams to help win championships. I'd like to see how arrogant he would be without three other all stars with him and a league of teams that were more balanced like in the Jordan era. You can be arrogant when realistically, only 1-2 teams even have a chance to beat you in a best-of series.
     
  22. Jon

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    We have kind of seen this. His first run with Cleveland. He was NEVER like this. Then he went to Miami, and we all hated him because he spurned his hometown for "greener pastures" and created the first real super team (sorry, I don't count the Celtics because they had to work and sacrifice capital to get Garnett and Allen here, and they were both already on the tail end of their careers; James took Bosh and Wade while all three were in the primes of their careers and Miami had to do nothing but move cap to get it). In Miami, it was Wade's team. Always was. James did not pull this crap. It's also partly the reason he left Miami. Wanted to be "the man" on a super team. He thought he could get that from Miami but Wade never relinquished it. It wasn't until he went back to Cleveland and was the face of the franchise that this came about. And honestly, while people found the "I'm coming home" letter to be endearing, I found it nothing more than a "look at me" marketing ploy because of Steph Curry's emergence.

    So, we have seen it. And it's one of the reasons I really dislike the guy. Not dissimilar to Crosby. Most talented person in his sport in maybe the world, but the most arrogant piece of crap that does not play the game the right way. Crosby with the whining and diving and turtling and the face that just makes you want to punch him. James with the everything he does that I've mentioned and the fact that he thinks he's the coach too. How many coaches did he have fired? Everyone though Spoelstra was the worst coach in the league. Now James is gone and we've found he's actually perfectly acceptable, if not actually good coach...

    I will never take his talent away. He's one of the best ever to play. But the truly best ever don't play this arrogance card. They don't rub it in. They don't toy with all their opponents until the finals because they feel so superior. The best are humble and respect their opponents and say all the right things. Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr, Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Tom Brady (go ahead and argue it, but he is humble, respects his opponents and says all the right things), Reggie White, Wilt Chamberlain... These men are arguably the best at their positions in their respective sports. Not one of them are like James or Crosby who just can't help themselves.

    :2cents:
     
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  23. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I don't get the Crosby hate either. He's a stud out there. He complains like Brady does.
     
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    So, on the way to an absolute destruction of the Celtics, the Cavs broke the record for the largest playoff lead at half-time, with 41 points. At one point in the second half, they were at least up 50 before they sat their starters. Even before Thomas left with an injury, he wasn't doing jack for them. 2 points in 17 minutes and they were free throws.
     
  25. Jon

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    And yet they pulled a win out of their ass in game 3... I don't understand this Celtics team.

    On the hate issue, I feel the same about Brady. He doesn't wine more than any other QB out there. They are all protected, and when they are hit, almost at all it seems, it's called. High and low hits every QB complains about not being called (which is what I'm assuming you're referencing as "whining"). It's no different between Brady or Roesthlisberger or Rogers. Thing is, Brady is on the screen more than the others, so his barking to the refs is seen more. They ALL do it. THe only one that really has a legitimate reason to, in my opinion, is Cam Newton, because that guy takes vicious illegal hit after vicious illegal hit, and it isn't ever called.

    For Crosby and James, they are easily the most talented players in their respective sports in the world today (though I feel the gap in hockey is closing; McDavid is a friggin beast). Everyone already knows it and already blows sunshine up their behinds. So why they feel the need to remind everyone every time they speak and then go on the court/ice and showboat it? Take dives to get calls? Back down when someone stands up to them? It's off-putting. It's childish. And it's not endearing. Makes them arrogant and pompous. In the olden days, players let their on field/court/ice performance do the talking. And then when asked about their opponents, talks them up, whether they believe it personally or not. They didn't trash opponents in the media (in game, I'm sure they did and that's one thing), but to the media? Didn't happen. Especially James. The "I'm better than everyone else and I know it" thing is sickening to me. That's why I don't get the Brady hate, I think. I appreciate that he says the right things to the media even though he knows he's the best. Does he believe all the cookie cutter crap? Probably not, but at least to the world, he shows deference and appreciates his team and opponents.

    James? Loses game 3, has 11 points, 6 turnovers. Says he sucked after the game and his team kept them in it. "That's a good response" I think... right up until he has a fan ejected for heckling him... It's THOSE things that turn me away from respecting him off the court.

    This is not why everyone who dislikes these guys dislikes them. Just why I do.
     
  26. The Eye in the Sky!

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    And somehow the Celts won a game - either LeBron's talent was taken by the Monstars from Space Jam or he was just off for the night. I'm going with the former as of now, we'll see in game 4.
     
  27. Jon

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    Rofl, I heard that in the background and thought the same thing. It's worse that they are trying to remake Space Jam with James, so it just made for more irony. The Monstars theme was the Cavaliers' black suit moment of the round.
     
  28. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I'm back - go Cavs!
     
  29. Jon

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    BOOO!!!

    Go Warriors.
     
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    Let's just get this over with...