PS4 Neo (PS4.5)

Discussion in 'General Game Help & Discussion' started by dimmerwit, Apr 20, 2016.

  1. Jon

    Jon Official Thread Killer Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Posts:
    16,225

    -Return to Top-

    Xbox needed a year head start and lost the sales battle in round one. They need to be better this time if they want to win that. Funny enough, more powerful + slim = sales (if they combine them, I mean; I understand they are two separate models). I may consider that. I HATE the bulkiness of my XBox One!
     
  2. dimmerwit

    dimmerwit Tremendously High Energy Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2002
    Posts:
    12,803

    -Return to Top-

    Andrew House has confirmed the existence of the new PS4 in an interview with the Financial Times, but said that it won't be shown at E3.
     
  3. dimmerwit

    dimmerwit Tremendously High Energy Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2002
    Posts:
    12,803

    -Return to Top-

    So Sony announced it. It's called the PS4 Pro but aside from the name change it's more or less as leaked. They seem to be pushing 4K, which is neat, although there will be improvements at 1080p as well. The graphics looked quite good but obviously on my 1080 stream it's impossible to really judge the full effect.

    There's also a short scene of the new Mass Effect if that floats your boat.
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2016
  4. Jon

    Jon Official Thread Killer Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Posts:
    16,225

    -Return to Top-

    The only part of the announcement that does!
     
  5. dimmerwit

    dimmerwit Tremendously High Energy Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2002
    Posts:
    12,803

    -Return to Top-

    Shame it wasn't a particularly interesting clip. But still, Mass Effect. Can't believe it's been 4 1/2 years since the last one.
     
  6. Quagmire

    Quagmire UofL Cardinals, NY Yankees, NY Giants Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2002
    Posts:
    13,191

    -Return to Top-

    It doesn't even play 4k blu rays which is weird

    The Mass Effect trailer wasn't very good. I know its early stages, but the writing was atrocious, power readings off the chart, and then floating mechanical guards, very cliched
     
  7. Jon

    Jon Official Thread Killer Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Posts:
    16,225

    -Return to Top-

    I hear you. It's a shame that EA cut their legs out from under them in the third game. ME1 was all Microsoft. ME2 was all Bioware with a near unlimited budget. ME3 was EA being EA and pulling most of Bioware's control, giving unlimited budget, then last minute not being flexible to delay (which Bioware wanted) and cutting the funds almost completely. Which gave us that ending. I'm excited for Andromeda. I just know that what you saw was a cookie cutter scene to show off 4k, which I don't have any access to, so doesn't matter to me. I'm glad they allowed the delay this time. It tells me they are trying to right the wrongs of ME3's production.

    Don't read much into it. The game isn't polished yet, and that was one scene they focused only on the graphics to showcase the 4k compatibility. I wouldn't be surprised if those are not even the voice actors.
     
  8. Rachel

    Rachel Dragonfly Catcher

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2001
    Posts:
    12,369

    -Return to Top-

    read an interesting article the other day about this trend with consoles, it used to be an advantage of consoles over PCs was that everyone used the same thing, there was no fracturing. Well those days are long gone. I guess my main question is, where are we in the console cycle. Probably everyone who wants a PS4 has one at this point, so are the people buying these current PS4 owners with a lot of cash?

    Take this new ME for example, you know they are going to do a port to the PS5 at some point. (That's another frustrating thing, I waited and waited for the Uncharted PS4 port, then finally got the PS3 versions, only for it to be announced shortly afterwards). Anyway, because there will likely be a port, consumers have some decisions to make, how long they can wait versus the Pro version.

    Which btw - it's too Appley (or Microsoft I guess, the Surface Pro). Why "Pro"? At least Apple can claim their upper tier products are for the workplace.
     
  9. dimmerwit

    dimmerwit Tremendously High Energy Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2002
    Posts:
    12,803

    -Return to Top-

    We aren't close to peak PS4 yet. I think often as gamers we underestimate the casual market, even as it has clearly shrunk since the Wii in 2006-09. Sony have sold ~42 million or so, which is a lot but not much more than half of what the PS3 has managed. I mean, think about it this way - the PS2 sold about that number of consoles (40 million +) after the PS3 was launched.

    Sony's initial market is clear: hardcore gamers and/or people with 4K TVs. I would expect the vast majority of PS4 Pro customers to be those upgrading, or at least people who already own an Xbox One or a gaming PC. I think it's a smart way to not only extract more money from this demographic but to keep them invested in the PlayStation ecosystem, especially with the more powerful Xbox Scorpio coming next year. After all, most of the profit comes from games, accessories and PSN.

    I think we are about halfway in, in that I can see a new PlayStation coming in three years. That said, it might well be that the traditional console generation system is over. I can easily see Sony launching a new system in 2019 which drops support for the launch PS4 but keeps compatibility with the Pro. Consumers are used to this kind of upgrading system as it's how mobile phones work, and PCs have shown that the system works on a hardware front.
     
  10. Jon

    Jon Official Thread Killer Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Posts:
    16,225

    -Return to Top-

    The funny thing is, that with time, the console generations have extended quite significantly. I am not sure if it's a sign of peaking technology (meaning the strides in technology were greater then, than now, and the technology in the consoles last longer) or simply that the systems are as powerful or moreso than gaming PCs nowadays.

    Sony PS - 1995
    Sony PS2 - 2000 (5 years)
    Sony PS3 - 2006 (6 years)
    Sony PS4 - 2013 (7 years)

    Microsoft XBox - 2001
    Microsoft XBox 360 - 2005 (4 years)
    Microsoft XBox One - 2013 (8 years)

    Nintendo 64 - 1996 (Starting with the PS1 equivalent)
    Nintendo GameCube - 2001 (5 years)
    Nintento Wii - 2006 (5 years)
    Nintendo Wii U - 2013 (Not really a new generation, but it wasn't compatible with the Wii games, so I'm using that as criteria on this one and why I'm not counting the PS4 Pro or XBox Spectre; 7 years)

    Sony's average life cycle is 6 years, but has increased by a year each generation. 2019-2021 seems to be the logical timeframe. Xbox is also an average of 6 years, but have greater outliers. So I'd assume they, too, are in the 2019-2021 range of time. Nintendo is a different animal. Technically, the Wii U was not a new generation for them, but in a lot of ways it was. The problem is their hardware is behind that of Sony and Microsoft. They've been in the game longer, though, and the average is around the same as its competitors.

    Al three companies have new consoles due out next year. Only Nintendo's is a new "generation," though. (Again, for this particular post only, I'm considering a new generation as one where games specifically made for it are not compatible with with it's predecessor; i.e. PS3 games do not work on the PS2.)
     
  11. Quagmire

    Quagmire UofL Cardinals, NY Yankees, NY Giants Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2002
    Posts:
    13,191

    -Return to Top-

    I'll probably still pick up a Pro when FFXV comes out, I wouldn't mind saving $100, but I think I'd kick myself if a lot of games come out as a lot better on the Pro than the regular, then again, I don't really care about super hyper graphics...I'm hoping there are some analysis between the two by the time FFXV comes out
     
  12. Jon

    Jon Official Thread Killer Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Posts:
    16,225

    -Return to Top-

    I hear you, that'd be my hang up. I JUST (as in a couple months ago) got a PS4. It was time. I'm not about to drop a lot more on the Pro when it's not a new system. Improved graphics are nice, but I don't own a 4k TV. Perhaps if I did, I'd care a little more. I've got FFXV preordered on my XBox One. I may call to change it to PS4, but I've not yet decided on that. I've almost always played on PS when it comes to FF (excluding 6, that was originally on Nintendo for me). The only exception was FFXIII as I played that on the XBox.

    Does anyone know if there are any major differences between the Box and Sony versions of FFXV? I've not heard of any, but perhaps that's my reasoning. Of course, I did play the two demos on XBox, so I'd HATE to lose out on them....
     
  13. The Eye in the Sky!

    The Eye in the Sky! That guy eating pie Moderator Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2001
    Posts:
    24,912

    -Return to Top-

    I am skipping these upgraded systems, they don't do enough to warrant me to even want one. I'm in the same boat, my TV is just a regular HD and I have no plans on going 4K for a long time. I'm not an FPS or graphics snob, so the faster benchmarks don't mean anything.

    That being said, depending on how Nintendo's new system turns out, I MAY look into that one. I've been craving some Zelda action and the new one looks amazing. I almost grabbed Skyward Sword because I have a Wii, but the motion controls just make me angry. I almost picked up the Wii U a few months ago but I've heard that developers are pretty much not doing anything for it.
     
  14. Jon

    Jon Official Thread Killer Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Posts:
    16,225

    -Return to Top-

    I agree. Though, given what the Scorpio is said to be able to accomplish, I may consider that one in a year.

    But I'm with you, Zelda has been missing for me. I'm probably snagging the Nintendo recreation just to have those old games back. But the last Zelda game I played was Twilight Princess. My step son's Wii U remote is DOA and I don't have a Wii, so I'm fairly SOL. So the new Nintendo console may get my attention too.
     
  15. Quagmire

    Quagmire UofL Cardinals, NY Yankees, NY Giants Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2002
    Posts:
    13,191

    -Return to Top-

    If the NX plays Wii U games I'll be all over it, as I've wanted to play Bayontta 2 and DK Tropical Freeze