NFL Peyton Manning

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  1. Jon

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    What the HELL happened to Peyton Manning?

    I know all his surgeries and age is a real issue, but I'm seriously starting to miss the old Brady/Manning debates. It's not even close.

    Also, that offensive line is just sad, but what a monster defense they have. Great receivers and a decent back.

    I REALLY like Danny Trevathan, and I don't know why.
     
  2. The Eye in the Sky!

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    Same thing happened to Dan Marino. When you lose it, you lose it.

    I'll miss his pink forehead in the cold of January when he finally does hang it up.
     
  3. Fool's Requiem

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    Age. That's what.
     
  4. Jon

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    It's just sad to watch such an immediate decline. I mean, there's usually a gradual dropoff of some sort. Like even Brady you can see is dropping off slowly. But Manning... he went from throwing 48 touchdowns to not even being able to throw 10 yards... I kind of feel bad for him...

    Until the next Papa John's commercial anyway.
     
  5. shortkut

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    manning also has no/limited feeling in the fingers of his throwing hand
     
  6. Jon

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    Yeah, due to the neck surgeries. But if he's struggling that much, why keep subjecting yourself to this. That's the thing. Makes it all about the money at this point.
     
  7. Joseph Stalin

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    Not really?

    It doesn't surprise me in the least that a person as competitive as Peyton is trying to keep playing as long as he can, even with the writing on the wall.
     
  8. The Eye in the Sky!

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    Yeah athletes have been playing their sport since they were maybe 6-7, younger with hockey so all they know in life is football, especially Peyton, the guy lives and breathes it. I heard all he did for his entire life was study film when he wasn't on the field. These guys are still young as humans at 38-39 and suddenly look at the prospect of their entire life changing. Some don't want it. I'm sure Peyton will go into broadcasting, but its not the same as playing and being a part of the grind.

    It's probably less about the money than most people think. That mentality is usually when the player is heading out of their prime. Gotta score one more big payday at that point.
     
  9. Excalibur

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    He probably wanted to at least tie Eli in Super Bowl rings.

    Joking aside, I'm pretty sure Peyton stuck around because he thought he had a good shot to compete again. It's amazing how dominant he was just two years ago after all those surgeries. But, as others here have said, sometimes it just hits and you just don't have it in you anymore.

    I hope Peyton sees some success this season before he (most likely) hangs it up. I'd hate to see him go out with a whimper, but unfortunately this is a sport where it happens a lot.
     
  10. Jon

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    Thing is, competitive or not, he has to have doctors telling him he's jeopardizing his long term health moreso at this point.

    I'm all for him doing it for competition's sake. But the talk of the tingling and all the surgeries, his lack of mobility and arm strength... It's going to take one well placed blindside hit that he's not going ot get up from. I know that can happen anyway, but I don't want to see something like that happen to Peyton.
     
  11. HONG KONG SKUNK

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    Still Manning has more options than Marino had in his last season in 1999. Marino never lost his quick release or awareness, however his long throw accuracy and mobility drastically dropped off his last season. Not to mention being injury prone.
    I don't agree that when you lose it you lose it. It is still early in the season and Peyton will adjust to his injuries accordingly. When it comes down to a last drive stand or a clutch situation, Peyton is still a QB I would want to have in my backfield.
    He hasn't lost everything, out of all 32 starting QB's in the NFL, I would still have him in the Top 10 QB's I would want on my team....But overall yes I agree "what the hell has happened to Peyton?" It is sad to see him playing this poorly. I really do think he will bounce back when he figures out to play with his pre existing injuries.
     
  12. The Eye in the Sky!

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    Peyton is still a top 10 QB, no doubt about that, and the 4th quarter against Kansas City showed that he will always have that razor sharp IQ at the position. I just worry about him because his go to routes his whole career were throwing down the seam or working quick hitches on the edges, which require arm strength with the quick release. You could clearly see that the KC defensive backs got their hands on at least half a dozen passes because they weren't zipped into the spots they needed to be in. I still think Denver will be a playoff team and probably win the AFC West but mostly because Manning, for the first time in his career, has a top 3 defense. They might even be the best in the league.

    I think he'll adjust to his injuries and age but it limits his game. For the past 15 years you had to cover the entire field against him and he'd still burn you. Now you can shade the sidelines and pile into the box to dare him to throw over the top. I don't think he can do that consistently anymore. He used to be an assassin on passes over 20 yards in the air, but everything I've seen from him since mid-last season doesn't lead me to believe he will get that back. He may turn in a decent season with 4000 yards and 25-30TDs but that is a steep decline from what we've seen his entire career.

    The cold weather hasn't even hit yet, either. His numbness is going to get worse in the cold and he has never, ever been a good cold weather QB. If he can make it work, I'm happy for him, I just don't see how he can. Who knows, the Broncos may very well ride their defense to the Super Bowl because the AFC is weak and he could win it all as a glorified game managing QB. Wouldn't surprise me.
     
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    Yeah I agree with you on all of that. I dont think he will be continually consistent on long balls. At least Denver has a good defense. As long as Manning can control the offensive they will be a contender.
     
  14. Jon

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    The weapons around Manning on offense should prevent this too. Sanders, Thomas, Anderson... should be enough for a dink and dunk quick strike offense, and that defense should keep Denver in most games. I'm not worried about Denver, I just hate seeing how immediate Manning's decline has been.
     
  15. HONG KONG SKUNK

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    Sometimes I wonder if he will retire after this season or if he is going to try and hang on until he can get another ring.
     
  16. Jon

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    With Manning it is less about another ring than it is about breaking all the records. He knows he can't win rings. Couldn't do that in his prime.
     
  17. shortkut

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    that is just as stupid as saying the patriots can't win without cheating or manny and papi can't hit homers without steroids.
     
  18. The Eye in the Sky!

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    What record does Manning not have right now? He's pretty much put all of the major ones out of reach for everyone.
     
  19. Jon

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    Umm.... ;)

    I haven't looked at the record books lately. If he has the TD and yards records, I'd expect he'd be inclined to retire at the end of the year. I don't think Denver's defense can carry them to another Championship. And I don't think Manning can carry them to one either. But I also don't think he ever was capable of it.
     
  20. shortkut

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    if you're suggesting you're stupid, then that explains a lot :tease:
     
  21. Jon

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    No no, that goes without the need for suggestion.
     
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    Manning needs to know his limitations and Kubiak does too. That D is ridiculously good. The lack of a running game is their biggest issue. Kubiak wants the ZBS that he has run everywhere else. The difference is that the offensive line in Denver is terrible.

    If they are going all-in on Manning then that's fine. This is probably going to be his last year.

    I support the Falcons. Our offensive line was a train wreck the last few years and this year wasn't looking much better. Shanahan and Kubiak aren't dissimilar. I'm still not sold on it, but if Jake Matthews, Chris Chester, Mike Person, Andy Levitre and Ryan Schraeder can be an average NFL line then anybody can.
     
  23. Jon

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    I was impressed with Ronnie Hillman yesterday. I like CJ Anderson, but I think he's more of a power back. I think the bad o-line in Denver forces them to need someone more speedy to get outside the tackles. I also think they need more of a receiver/blocker back, sort of like a Shane Vereen type. But watching that game yesterday, all I can say is can I have that defense please? They are GOOOOOOOD.
     
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    I think he's still missing the yards record, but should have it by the end of the year (though if we include CFL, Anthony Calvillo beats him out with 79.8K yards). He definitely has the TDs record.
     
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    You know we don't!

    Manning is also about 300 completions behind Favre as well.
     
  26. Jon

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    Yeah, I'm not going to be surprised if he retires at year's end if he gets those records. Won't get the completions record, but I doubt he cares for that. Yards and TDs are what is looked at.

    Honestly, only QB stats I care for? Wins (regular season and playoffs) and Super Bowl rings. Manning can have all the meaningless ones. They obviously mean something to him though, so power to him.
     
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    I like to though because Anthony Calvillo is the only QB I've ever seen that is as statistically dominant over the rest of the league as Peyton Manning is. And just like Peyton, he seemed to come short in the playoffs for so many years (though he eventually won quite a few Grey Cups).
     
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    I feel like this doesn't represent Manning at all. He keeps playing because he's insanely competitive. You can talk stats, but the reality is that he has them all because he's so good. He wants to keep playing because he wants more rings. The fact that he has the stats is a byproduct of that.
     
  29. Jon

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    I didn't say he wasn't in that post. He has the stats because he's good. In the regular season. Unfortunately, he's struggled in the playoffs and he won't get the rings he probably should have. Now he has a great defense, great offensive weapons, but a poor o-line. And I think that o-line combined with multiple surgeries and simply age have caught up.

    Manning is one of the best to play the position. I just don't want to see him turn into Brett Favre. He's too good for that. And I also don't want to see him risk his after football life for his competitiveness or desire to reach records.