News Nintendo NX to be Revealed Soon

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  1. dimmerwit

    dimmerwit Tremendously High Energy Member Premium Member

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    No, not really. As I said, it happened to my Xbox One. When it did, I just returned it and got a replacement. No rage at Microsoft because, unlike the Xbox 360, the One was not defective by design and I just got unlucky. My replacement has been issue free apart from the minor controller defect, which I can more than live with. If I do what I did with the 360 and go through 3 defective consoles in barely over two years then yes, that's different.

    The point is a $150 controller should be more reliable than the standard one, no?

    But anyway, you've proved my wider point. The Elite controller is mostly very well received, and yet someone could still make a video with several defective units.

    As for the PS2, my original, fat unit is 15 years old, has been in luggage on a plane at least a dozen times (with not much more than some wrapped towels for protection), has moved house 5 times and has even been dropped once, and yet it still works. It's two feet away from me as I type, and I booted it to check. I think the disc reader will probably eventually fail but I've not had a single issue.
     
  2. Rachel

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    no I'm not, I've said nothing about the software failure rate or the hardware failure rate for the console itself. I've been talking about two problems that can happen to anyone, putting the controller in backwards and losing your save data because it's tied to the machine. I don't need to know the actual rates of this to know it can happen to anyone (such as being absent-minded or just being a child). To recap, those are my two issues plus:

    I mean this is nothing new, it just sucks for something to be so expensive when the parts are so cheap. These are like $12 parts for $90. Many people probably want to have two docks for two TVs. http://www.polygon.com/2017/1/13/14261342/nintendo-switch-extra-controller-price-terrible They can do what they want of course but it still doesn't feel great.

    I agree that the comparison is not exactly the same, I'm trying to think of a better example. This led to a happy accident on my part, stumbling upon a series of articles written by a man I look up to tremendously, the father of modern UX Don Norman, Human Error versus Bad Design, which I think is the basis of the stances we are taking. I would love to hear from him about this. He does a much, much better job than me. http://www.jnd.org/dn.mss/human_error_no_bad.html

    And I'm not a manufacturing or engineering person whatsoever so I can't speak to the parts, if it would require a new design from the ground up or not. It's certainly possible they did a cost-benefit analysis for this. From my eyes though, I'm sorry, I feel like there should be a way to safeguard this. There are other electronics out there with similar kind of lock-in features where this doesn't happen. If I were a manufacturing person I'd probably even know the term or part for this. So, I think we'll just have to say this is a troublesome design for some but others won't take pause about it.

    Thanks, I had tried looking this up on its Wikipedia but it wasn't super clear. That sounds like it was somewhat of a downgrade also.

    By the way, I want everyone to know I still think the Switch is a great console (as it is now...waiting to see what is beyond Zelda and Odyssey). Like even though these things bother me I think they are on the right track. Especially being 8+ months pregnant, if we had this maybe the dad could still get his Zelda fix around the house while monitoring the crib or something. lol
     
  3. The Eye in the Sky!

    The Eye in the Sky! That guy eating pie Moderator Premium Member

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    It would be ideal. I like that you can easily pick up and play for 10-15 minutes and move all around without losing any progress or taking yourself out of the game too much. You guys could definitely use one for those boring days in the hospital pre and post delivery! Those were such long days, Rick is going to be so bored. :D
     
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    lol pre delivery

    Me: *moaning in agony*
    Him: *puts on headphones to hear where the Korok seed is*
     
  5. The Eye in the Sky!

    The Eye in the Sky! That guy eating pie Moderator Premium Member

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    Just think of how convenient it would be to play while the baby sleeps on you. I wish I had a 3DS back when my kids were born.
     
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    btw, I forget to mention that we did try to experiment with the Wii U pad. No dice, it didn't pick up the signal too far in our house. It's pretty much only something to use in the same living room. Sucks because it's like we are halfway there already with the previous gen but it's not the same.
     
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    solution: move wiiU into baby room
     
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    Oh! Please don't think I'm raging against Nintendo (I don't view Rachel as doing so either). I won't speak for her, but for me, personally, I'm just weary of these errors. If I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all. I fully expect the worst errors to hit me. If they aren't gamebreaking, so be it. Like you guys said, replace it and move on. Provided it doesn't cost me hundreds to fix, anyway. And I'm not sitting here making the claim that the Switch sucks because of isolated issues. I don't think this is a pandemic. My entire point was I'm glad I don't have to worry about these potential issues at the moment. If I can put it off for a year when they are likely to fix some of these errors, I'll be happy. My Switch would be for the family, primarily kids. The scratching, joy-con and hardware failures are bound to happen as a result. And if I'm going to shell out $300 for it, I want minimized risk of it happening. And given Nintendo's background they'll address it in a later version.

    As you've mentioned, I'm not justifying a stance that says "<1% of people are having an issue, so the system sucks." I'm saying they are concerns that should be addressed. For example, the controller issue? Sorry, no cost-benefit analysis in a company would say "let's not have a safety in place because it would cost us $.05 more per unit." They are already charging significantly more for the controller. This may not be a design flaw, but it is inarguable that it's a design oversight. It should, and probably will get fixed. The scratches, also not necessarily a flaw, but an oversight. It would not cost them much to add a strip of cloth across the top of the dock, where the scratching occurs. Again, probably should and will get fixed. Hardware failure? They need to find out why it's happening and fix it. That will get fixed because that happening, even to a minority, it unacceptable. Granted, like you said, most people will get that fixed and move on. It would be as simple as returning it to the store you bought it for for an exchange.

    Overall, nothing makes this a bad console. But they are concerns that probably should have been noticed in R&D and then in internal testing. For a few cents on a dollar, they are relatively easy fixes that should have been considered. So, again, maybe not flaws, but they are oversights.
     
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    For the record, Nintendo has said they didn't uncover any scratching issues in testing.

    The Splatoon 2 testfire client is available for download. The event itself doesn't begin until the 24th and it's a total of six hour-long sessions.
     
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    The best part about the Switch right now is that I bring it to work everyday and play it through lunch. So I've actually logged about 30 hours into Zelda in the last ~2 weeks, which is not impressive to some people but is a ton for me.

    I've still only amassed 21 of the 150+ shrines, 1 of the 4 great guardians and only uncovered 3 of the 12 or 13 world map zones, too. There is so much to do and its so fun.
     
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    That's good. I haven't actually been to a store since the console launch so I've been curious if its been sold out everywhere. I kind of want it to be since it makes mine seem more special... I'm heading to Target on lunch shortly and I'm going to go look around.

    Also with the sales being massive, I'd like more developers to target it. I've heard its easier to develop for than the PS4, but more difficult than Xbox. With the Switch I've rediscovered how much more I enjoy handheld gaming, and now that its a full powered console, its even better. I've played maybe 30 hours of Zelda and 6 hours of Horizon Zero Dawn entirely because of the console. I like having the handheld, and with phones making it completely normal to have a screen that close to my face, it feels more natural than holding a controller looking at a TV 10 feet away. Another thing is that that the load times are so short. It's amazing, you pick it up and you're powered on and playing within 30 seconds.

    I would give anything to have Persona 5 be released on Switch.

    Put Horizon on Switch and I bet I'd even those hours out.
     
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    I agree about the versatility. I often play it in bed and the joy-cons disappear in the darkness. What I really need though is one of those screen holders on a long arm so I can use the joy-cons detatched with the grips, since that's the best way to play short of a Pro controller.

    Persona would be a great fit for the Switch. It's only been on PlayStation in recent years but they did make a 3DS spinoff so I don't think there's anything stopping them. I'm still going to get it on PS4 though because spoilers.
     
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    I have only really played with the Joycons attached to the screen. I love how it feels. I've put the Joycons on the controller grip and its nice but I like having the screen less than a foot from my face.

    I really wish they'd announce that Persona 5 was being ported to Switch before the PS4 release so then I could at least have more time to finish other games until then.
     
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    I think Sony holds the rights to the mainline series, which makes some sense given Persona 3 portable and Persona 4 Golden were on sony handhelds and not ported to the 3DS
     
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    I believe it's just market demand. The Xbox is obviously a bit pointless in Japan and PC gaming isn't that popular there either. And A PS2->PSP and PS3->Vita port is much easier given the much more similar specs of the machines. In the past they've said that a non-PlayStation version is "not impossible".

    Although that said, they've already ruled out a Switch version yet alone One and PC.
     
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    Lame. I'm still tempted to wait on the game since I will have no time to play it for a while anyway.
     
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    I have no time either, but that's not stopping me!

    Especially since I'm holding on Mass Effect. I still want to play it but with the reception it's got it'll probably be 1/3 off within a month or two, plus with a needed patch or two.
     
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    Facial animations REALLY hold back Andromeda. The voice acting is actually good so far, IMO, but the facial animations do not match intensity. The walking that you've seen mocked in videos also is present. Combat is fun and refreshing. I always play my first playthrough on normal difficulty, which is typically EZMODE. But with the new mechanics and dynamic cover (which I'm not a huge fan of to be honest) you can't get away with staying out of cover much. The story has been your typical Bioware amazing at this point, and honestly, if you don't play Bioware games primarily for the story, you're doing it wrong. I do not like the lack of explanations on a couple things to this point, other than "just accept it." But otherwise, I'm highly entertained, a little overwhelmed, but more than happy with the game to this point.

    This is the wrong thread, and I plan to write a mostly spoiler free pre-re-view (my version of a review thus far) as soon as I have a bit more time, perhaps this weekend. What I can say is the game is friggin MASSIVE. I am a partial completionist. I'll do most quests in an area before moving on. I'm about 20 hours in and 17% complete in my story so far. So, for full completion, this is EASILY a 100 hour game. That said, you can see some of the areas of the game just felt "rushed." Or at least didn't have the TLC of others. I've heard a lot "It's Dragon Age: Inquisition in space." I feel that, too. And that's not really a bad thing.
     
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    Yeah, the more I'm seeing of Mass Effect, the more I'm holding off as well. It can't hurt, I didn't play the first Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 until a year after ME2 originally came out.

    With how the developers are talking it sounds like they'll be patching the game for a while, so I'll just wait.
     
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    I'm certainly happy with the game. Nothing that's happening is at all gamebreaking. Just goofy looking. I'm happy they'll patch the game, but it's definitely a very good game thus far. The story is captivating.
     
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    Right now my game order is probably:

    1. Zelda (I'd guess I'm 30% done with it at about 45 hours in)
    2. Horizon Zero Dawn (I'm about 10% done with it about 6 hours in)
    3. Persona 5 (Probably won't want to wait to grab it)
    4. Mario Kart 8 (Wife and daughter want it)
    5. I Am Setsuna (I've wanted it but since its available on Switch now, I'll get it)

    After that, I'm probably looking at the summer. Maybe I'll have time for it then.
     
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    I "finished" the main quest of Zelda, but when you do so it unlocks a percentage tracker that lets you see how much of the game you've completed and mine is currently at 16%. I did a fair few side quests but have quite a lot left and I haven't really searched for shrines outside of story ones or ones I stumbled upon whilst doing something else.

    Horizon is still firmly on my watchlist, although prices haven't really dropped. I'm glad in a way since it means the game sold well. I should probably just get it and not be a cheap bastard.

    I pre-ordered Persona 5 yesterday, since the quality is guaranteed as it's been out for so long in Japan.

    MK8 is also pre-ordered as Amazon did a one-day sale so I got that and Zelda for £80. I thought about getting a Wii U for this game when it was first release so I'm sure I'll enjoy it.

    Luckily things then begin to cool down. Prey is out in early May and looks interesting, and I might get the Crash remaster which is due in late June. Splatoon 2 (first testfire in an hour BTW) and South Park are also due at some point although at the rate it's going South Park won't be out for ages yet. And finally there's Middle-Earth: Shadow of War in August, but I've yet to even start the first one. But that will leave some time for catching up before what looks like a packed fall.
     
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    Join us! I have it preordered and can't wait!
     
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    I tried the Splatoon 2 test fire. The game looked very impressive in handheld mode. I wasn't so keen on the motion controls though, which I find more useful as a fine aim assist rather than the primary method of aiming, even if it is limited to one axis.
     
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    Weird issue - I was playing Zelda at work today and after 45 minutes I got a low battery indicator so I shut it off - weird. I played it almost 2 hours on Saturday before getting that indicator. I went to a help forum (a real one ;)) and it said to turn off WIFI mode if its constantly searching. I turned it on and it said it still had 44% battery left, and I went and turned it onto airplane mode and played another 20 minutes only losing 10% battery. So hopefully that was just fluky.

    It makes me wonder if it really was almost dead after 2 hours this weekend. I heard that I should probably let the battery drain completely this time before charging to see if that changes the indicator settings.
     
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    Nintendo sold 906k Switches in the US during March.

    They also sold 925k copies of Zelda on Switch during the same period.

    Work that one out!
     
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    I had heard from the outset that Zelda would kill the battery in around 2:45 to 3 hours, I was getting nervous because it would tell me the battery was low after 45 minutes. I think it just needed a recalibration because when it said low again yesterday, it still had 50% battery. So... weird.