News Nintendo NX to be Revealed Soon

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  1. Jon

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    I respectfully disagree. The reality is, inflation would have you believe this is a fair price (it is, for the most part), but most people haven't experienced enough of an increase in salary to make up for it (from the 90's). If salaries scaled accordingly, I'd say you're 100% correct, that it is a fair price (overall, I do believe it is; it's saying it isn't a lot of money that I disagree with). I do think that it was worse with the PS4 and X1 though. I got the X1 a few months after release and paid $500 for it (because they stupidly forced the Kinect down our throats; which in the years I've owned my XBox One, the most I've used the Kinect for was to hold DLC cards in front of so I didn't have to type the numbers in... they don't do that even anymore... if I could sell my Kinect for $100 I would in a heartbeat...).
     
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    Even if inflation hasn't made up for individuals - consoles went for $300 then and now we're floating around $400-$500 on new releases, so $300 seems plenty fair for a less powerful console.
     
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    Let's do some maths.

    Consoles used to be cheaper. Both the PS1 and the N64 launched at $199.99. Let's use the N64 as this is a Nintendo thread.

    The best indicator is probably median household income (MHI), unadjusted for inflation. Median is usually better than average as it better represents the "middle class" and is less skewed by inequality than average incomes would be. MHI has risen from $35,492 in 1996 to $56,516 in 2015 (latest available).

    Dividing console price, the N64 represents 0.56% of the 1996 MHI, whilst the Switch represents 0.53% of the 2015 value. Therefore, the Switch is very slightly more affordable for the median family. The Switch would need to be $318.46 to equal the N64 in this metric.

    In terms of games, there's absolutely no contest. Using Mario 64's $69.99 price, then games have dropped from 0.197% to 0.106% of respective MHI. Given that I'm using 2015 figures and that incomes increased in 2016, it's very likely that people will be buying games that are twice as affordable as they were in 1996.
     
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  5. Fool's Requiem

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    - Actually new Mario game that isn't trying to cash in on the 90s nostalgia factor.
    - New Zelda coming at launch.
    - Updated Mario Kart 8.
    -Appealing launch price.

    Still needs:
    Smash Bros.
    Super Mario Maker
    Metroid Prime trilogy remaster. Pls
    The WW and TP HD remasters
    Skyward Sword
    Resident Evil
    Star Fox Zero without the BS controls
    Etc.
     
  6. dimmerwit

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    Yeah, I'd really like Super Mario Maker. The screen is touch enabled so it should be possible. I think that because they didn't announce it they won't be porting the first one though.

    I put in an order for one. It's free and with no obligation to buy, so it seemed silly not to since I am interested. The FTSE 100 finishing at its 14th consecutive record high helps matters!
     
  7. Quagmire

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    Passing on this for a long time, priced too high given
    • No pro controller with it (gotta pay $70 for that)
    • No Ethernet port
    • Small internal storage
    • Controllers that come with it look uncomfortable
    • Also apparently doesn't come with the Joy con charging grip either, thats an extra $30
     
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    Quagmire UofL Cardinals, NY Yankees, NY Giants Premium Member

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    Ew, rather not having Skyward Sword, give us Bayonetta 2 and DK: Tropical Freeze ports
     
  9. Fool's Requiem

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    I don't want Skyward Sword with the motion controls. I have refused to get it because of the motion controls. I want them to redo it with traditional controls.
     
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    That Mario game looked weird. Like there was a bunch of normal-looking people walking around and then there was a three foot Mario between them.

    I remember the rumors that a new Pokémon will come to it eventually. If so get ready

    It's soooo dumb of them to sell that tech demo game separately though. It should be bundled with the console. No way people will spend $50 on it. They should have taken that loss and at least given people something in-hand to show off the tech to friends, similar to the Wii.
     
  11. Jawneh

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    There were some good things and some bad things about it. I honestly dont know if I want the thing now.

    The biggest cripes I have about it are the lack of any game "free" with the console purchase (even a crappy game), the choice of Nintendo to go for a monthly online service thing, and the SD storage. The lack of a game is kind of... a selfish reason as I've gotten used to having at least something to play with a console right away. The online service fee though, unless I find enough games that don't require online services to fully play them, this is an issue for me. I don't want to start paying any more for the online service. It's one of the biggest reasons why I never wanted to get any of the newer Playstations or XBoxes. A bunch of the games I would play on them needed the service. The SD card storage is just dumb. Granted, the cards cost like nothing these days, but I don't trust those small things to work for too long. They're not designed to work constantly with a lot of reads and writes done on them constantly. In the era of download all your games from the cloud, the thing will blow up on you sooner rather than later.

    Those things aside, I like pretty much everything else about it. Any potential framerate debate I'll leave until the thing comes out, as none can really decide whether or not the thing can run 60fps as promised, or will it slug around 30 like the demos have so far.
     
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    Re: SD cards

    At least it's not a proprietary card with a jacked up price
     
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    I'm okay with using SD cards. They used SD cards for the Wii and it helped make Smash Bros Brawl a better game because of the mods.

    Also, if there's no ethernet jack, then it's just like the Wiis where they focused on WiFi, but will likely have an option to plug in the USB to ethernet adapter like the Wiis. If we're lucky, it'll be the same adapter, which would mean I wouldn't have to buy one.
     
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    I'd rather have the option to install a small form HDD or SSD into either one. SSDs are literally the size of a thumb drive if you take them out from the housing.
     
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    SSDs are also pretty expensive when you jack up the amount of data it has.
     
  16. Quagmire

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    Mario does look odd, reminds me of Sonic Adventure, I'm thinking its a hub world/key to going to other dimensions.
     
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    Once they started showing footage of what you'd normally see in a Mario game, I was relieved. I was worried they were trying to put him in a realistic open world environment which would have completely ruined the whole thing.
     
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    I was YouTubing Nintendo's channel and stumbled upon the new Sonic game. That looks great, even if it's not a system seller.
     
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    Its not a system exclusive either though
     
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    That's what I was referring to. If it was exclusive... It might of been a major factor of actually picking one of these up, personally.
     
  21. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I think it will have enough titles for us non-Wii U owners. I'm excited for it because I haven't had a Zelda game since Gamecube and Breath of the Wild looks incredible. I like that they added voice acting and hope the story telling is a LITTLE more involved. Not expecting much more than it has been, but it looks a little more narrative from the trailer.

    Having a brand new Mario title is pretty exciting, too. It reminds me of when Sunshine or Galaxy were announced. I feel like traditional Mario was getting tired but this could be awesome.

    And because I had no other console, a re-release of Mario Kart 8 is cool to me, too. I wanted to play Splatoon as well, and having a brand new one coming is great!

    If they announce a Smash Bros, that will be even better.

    I just hope it gets enough support to keep the third party developers interested and Nintendo building its library.

    Since I'm hearing it might be released in limited quantities, I don't expect to get it until late spring or summer, so hopefully there will be a half dozen games or so by then.
     
  22. Jon

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    Something about this just doesn't seem right. Fact is location has a lot to do with that. Those numbers seem too high, to me. And, I dunno, but the method of comparison seems off. I've no data to back it up, and I completely trust your numbers. Just something feels off. And I don't think anyone thinks, "I'm getting a console because it's less than 1% of my yearly income." It also doesn't account for the fact that for most families, rent and housing is so over-the-top, that the average family income is incomparable. The prices of goods like gaming consoles may be rising equally... but the cost of other things are not. Let's not ignore that for the average family to sustain itself in the current market in certain locations, they'd have to make double what the MHI is. Or so I feel.
     
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    Well, here's a chart of inflation adjusted disposable income: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A229RX0

    You are right to say that milages may vary. For example, if you are already a homeowner it's in general a very good time since interest rates are very low, have been for some time and probably will be for a good few years, but renters obviously don't have that advantage and have been made worse off in many cities by increasing demand and the unaffordability of buying. Likewise, increased income inequality has had bigger effects in large cities with high proportions of high paying jobs but comparatively little effect elsewhere. So caveats absolutely exist.

    But I also think that the data doesn't entirely lie. I think the general economic situation at the moment is actually fairly good, if not exceptional. We often see the media focus on people struggling to cover their bills, whether it be from Mylan jacking up the prices of Epipens or from people worried about the repeal of Obamacare making insurance unaffordable or whatever reason, but the truth is that there have always been people out there struggling. The idea of people working two retail jobs is not new, and whist it's perhaps a bit more extreme these days large cities have always been expensive places to live. Even in the "good" times, there have always been people struggling.

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    So, my retailer confirmed I can get a console on 3 March. I still have time to change my mind, but at this point I think I will probably buy it. Whilst there are very few games out early, I don't think the price will drop in the first year like the 3DS did because it seems a fairer price for the technology in the box (and even if it does drop, I don't really care). So I don't think there's much benefit in waiting for Mario in the fall when I would definitely buy. Besides, this is coming out of my non-existant child's college fund, so all is good.
     
  24. Jon

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    This is the reality I, personally, face. As well as more than a small sampling of people in the Boston outskirts. I'd venture to guess that it's relatively the same for most major cities in the US. Because the housing market is decent right now (severely overpriced, but decent). But without a massive down payment, or near perfect credit, you can't get a mortgage. Being forced to rent makes saving for a down payment more difficult and credit is personal. Mine happens to be atrocious because of MASSIVE student loans I will never be able to repay (and that is not a euphemism; my kids and probably grandkids will inherit that debt if something doesn't happen). I have a decent job. My wife had an equal paying job before her back surgery forced her to quit. Now we have a near 2k a month rent I can't cover on my own for a small 2 bedroom, utility bills we don't pay, strict budgets on everything we do, and our lease is up in March. Nothing is opening on the rent side of things that is cheaper, and we won't get a mortgage and have no savings because I had to burn through all I had just to get through my wife's back surgery.

    Even as early as 20 years ago, my income alone would have been more than enough to sustain my family, pay every bill and not have to worry about my wife being a stay-at-home mom. Now? Not only do both parents need to work, but most often need to work two jobs each JUST to do what we are doing right now.

    All that to say I agree with your numbers and assessment. But like I said, something seemed off about it, and I think that this is why. I'm not the only person in this position. Probably the majority of the dwindling, near-dead, middle class is in my shoes.

    This is completely accurate. And as I mentioned above, I don't think it's minor or isolated. I think it's more the norm than not now, for most families. While even in the good times it wasn't unheard of, now it's not rare to find this. It's more or less just gut feeling and visual interpretation, but the cost of living has increased at a rate inconsistent with household income. I truly believe we, as a country, need to return to a place where families can be supported on one income.

    Even after all this said, I want to restate and make clear that I do agree that the price of the console is fair and reasonable overall. I apologize for sparking an economics discussion in this thread.
     
  25. The Eye in the Sky!

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    Its mostly near the large, desirable cities in my experience. If you live in or outside of a smallish city or area less than 300k people, housing is generally affordable. You just have to be willing to commute 45-60 minutes if you want to work in the bigger city.

    Just in case you weren't aware, there are programs, especially for first time homebuyers, that require less than 3% downpayment. My youngest brother just did this and bought a house in a nice Worcester neighborhood for $160k with $4000 down payment. His housing went from a $1500 rent to a $950 mortgage just like that.

    I used a first time homebuyer mortgage when I bought my house and only put 3% down. The day I signed for the house I wrote out a check for $5800 and they gave me the keys. Since then, my mortgage with taxes and insurance included is $913 per month compared to rent for similar housing being around $1500 per month. If you can swing it, it is actually cheaper than rent if you can do even a little handiwork yourself.

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    Back to the Switch, I've looked everywhere for preorders but they're unavailable. I hate preordering but I feel like I won't get one for a while if I don't jump on the list on Amazon.
     
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    hey Jon, not that you've asked for advice but here's my two cents:

    It's not. This is a thing that bothers me with the coast dwellers. San Fran, for example (albeit an extreme example). The cost of living there is just not sustainable, and yet people eat 50-70% housing costs all the time over there. It's crazy to me what people are willing to sacrifice to live in a coast city or a really populous city. They will never retire. To me it's just not worth it. The midwest is not just flyover. We've got some great cities with affordable housing (and jobs). Rent is also affordable here. Out of college seven years ago, my rent was $350 per month (excluding utilities). It hurts if you have kids, but sometimes it's just best to move because your costs just are not sustainable, even with a job already.

    Without knowing your number. You can't discharge student loans in bankruptcy so that's really bad. Maybe one thing to look at is going into the public sector with the loan forgiveness program. Other than that you simply have to have more income.

    Not sure if that was hyperbole but kids can't inherit the debt unless they co-signed.

    Make a post on the personal finance subreddit, detailing all of your monthly expenses. You can do this with an anonymous/throwaway account. They will help you out for free and make recommendations. I also advocate for YNAB.

    Our mortgage is similar to Tom's but having PMI sucks. Once Rick graduates from school I'm hoping to tackle that next. I hate having it.
     
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    Yeah, you were one of the homeowners I was thinking of. Of the people around my age (25) that own, they are all in cheaper areas for unsurprising reasons. We have similar schemes that allow 5% downpayment which makes it a good decision, but saving for a deposit is not always easy and even the London commuter towns are expensive.

    It depends on career opportunities though. For example, game journalists have a rotten time in San Fran as they earn meagre wages and have to live in Oakland or further afield, which makes no sense. But if you are early in your career at a prestigious company where you have a realistic chance of a high earning job, it can make sense. My dad is a very well paid lawyer and his job only exists in major commercial centres so it makes financial sense to live in them.
     
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    It makes sense to go onto the list. There are people who were like me and pre-ordered without having made a final purchase decision, and inevitably some will drop out. I don't often pre-order either but I don't think there's any downside if you were planning to get one this year anyway.
     
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    Yeah, I'm aware of the programs. The issue is I have nothing saved now. As bad as it sounds, the reason my wife has issues with her back was a car accident over 2 years ago. We haven't yet settled the case yet and he had top insurance coverage, so the minimum settlement will be for $250k. He also has umbrella coverage which means it should be more. This is of course prior to the 30% the scumbag lawyer will take and the massive amount the medical bills will place a lien on the settlement for. We'll be lucky to see a fifth of that number, but the intent is to take all we earn there and down payment a house. Let everything else work itself out.

    I will never not accept it. I just feel bad I spurred this here...

    The issue is we're 30 miles north of Boston, so the housing shouldn't be what it is. I grew up in Lawrence, consistently one of the worst cities in MA and the country year-in and year-out. Rent for a one bedroom in the slums i of Lawrence, is up to $1100 a month. It's not sustainable. I want to move into southern New Hampshire for much this reason. It's a LOT cheaper. I am having difficulty convincing my wife. And though she's aware the problems we have and why its a good move, she doesn't want to leave the area.

    After my master's I will be at around $150k loan debt. I will never pay it down or off. Most of it is already private. Sallie Mae, now Naviant, had raped the loan society. Incredible interest rates, no consolidation help, incredible repayment numbers... and they are unforgiving. I've consolidated my federal loans to be able to go back to school. But the majority of my loans are private, incapable of consolidation and house interest rates that would make a rock blush. I'm screwed with no way out unless someone forces all private loan debt forgiven. I can handle my federal loans. Not the private. It's hindsight, but if I knew then what I know now, I would not have gone to college.

    Not entirely accurate. Federal loans die with you. Private do not. My kids will inherit the private loans, which are so high, I will never pay them off.

    First, I'm unsure what YNAB and PMI are. Second, I've spoken to a lot of people and get the same answers. Consolidate, pay every dime towards debt (to fix credit), sell off all assets (of which I've none), sell my car because the payment is too high (and I can't because it's a complicated process that involves more loans)... basically, go completely poor first. I can't do that. I have a family and kids to support. If I were single, I'd do it. I can't. I've made too many mistakes in my life that I will pay for forever. My kids will never have good lives as a result. My wife and I want another child, but we can't. And the longer we wait, she's getting older and her back is getting worse, which makes us have a timeline.

    It's all depressing for me. I have very little light at the end of the tunnel. I mainly get through my days by not thinking about the future. Because I don't have one and the fact I've ruined my kids' future before they're born is sometimes more than I can handle.

    I'm sorry, I know this is a Nintendo thread.
     
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    Nintendo will have more problems if the Switch doesn't work out ;)

    YNAB = You Need a Budget, they actually sell it on Steam, its a budgeting program. I've always used Mint, its free and I find it easier.

    PMI - Private mortgage insurance. Typically an additional payment if you don't have 20% to put down. With some first time buyer programs they waive it. I got mine waived by attending 2 months worth of homeowner classes twice a week when I bought the house.

    Sounds like you've got a good grasp on your situation anyway, which is good. Hopefully things will start working out. The north shore area is overpriced. Once you get a little outside of the 495 belt, things become much more manageable.

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    Anyway, for 2017 my most anticipated games are:

    1. Red Dead Redemption 2
    2. LoZ: Breath of the Wild
    3. Persona 5
    4. Mario Odyssey
    5. Horizon: Zero Dawn

    So its looking like I'll need to get that Switch...