News Nintendo NX to be Revealed Soon

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  1. dimmerwit

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    Nintendo aren't in the specs game. Frankly, I don't think paying $299 for a 1.2 teraflop Xbox One represents incredible value from a specifications perspective either. I mean near the end of the PS3/360 era a similarly priced budget PC could very comfortably run games at more than double the resolution, double the framerate and with more options enabled, and until the release of PS4 Pro the similarly priced PCs are ahead again.

    Making a console with a screen for $299 is impossible without sacrificing on the silicon. After all, the cost to Nintendo for a screen of that size is probably around $60 or so, which on its own really cuts into the budget. I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if it was more than $299 just based on that fact alone. Also, they've said that the dock does not have any extra processing power.

    If you're going for the best visuals, go elsewhere. I won't criticise you at all since part of why I prefer PC is because I can choose to pay a little more for better graphics and framerates. But that's the tradeoff Nintendo has chosen. You are paying for the concept and Nintendo's first party output more than visuals or even third party content, since none of the stuff in the trailer is actually confirmed to be coming to the system and Ninty are usually terrible at third party stuff.
     
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    Also, if you're expecting a brand new console to be under 300, you're crazy.
     
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    The graphics arent really needed to be there for me to justify the price or not. What does need to be there is some sort of modern multiplayer set up, and strong 3rd party support. The online capabilities havent been talked about and i'm gonna wait and see with the 3rd party support. Honestly if the graphics werent much better than they are now but it had the online and the 3rd party i'd be happy. That said if it doesnt have power equal to or greater than the other two consoles then I would think it would be harder for developers to makes games for the Switch
     
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    Oh, I'm not. I have a PS4, XBox One and a good PC for graphics. The Nintendo has always been more for nostalgia and the exclusives it has. I just wouldn't spend $300 on a tablet with a dock. Problem is, because of my kids, I'm almost certainly going to. As a parent, I have a right to complain about that. As a gamer, I have a right to be disappointed. As a smart person (debatable), I understand it's not going to change anything, and I accept it. i just don't agree with it.

    I don't have any illusions about the cost. I'm unhappy about the potential cost they ask because I personally don't feel it's worth the price tag. But, I also think that the idea that a new console shouldn't be less than $300 just because it's new is a cynical way of looking at it. Not related to Nintendo in this instance, just in general, but if it doesn't meet the standards graphically, processing power or in usable terms, then I should rightfully expect it under $300. Handhelds are technically consoles and routinely under $300. Tablets can be handheld consoles, too, and are routinely less than $300, too. If this proves to be nothing more than a glorified tablet in terms of power, then I'd expect it to be less than $300. It probably isn't (if what dimmerwit says ends up being official then it isn't), and it's more justifiable for me. I'd still rather see it more in the $250 range, but that's me.

    I think the last sentence is the one I worry about most. I'll use my PS4 or X1 for multiplayer and 3rd party support. I just need the Nintendo to be respectable in terms of power and properly priced. I'm happy with Nintendo (always have been). I just feel that power and graphics should match the price point, and generally, I'd say they don't hit that (to me).
     
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    I guess my poorly worded point was more about how making a powerful, "regular" console would do nothing for Nintendo. Whilst I too would like to see them with product competing with contemporary stuff like the PS4 Pro in performance terms, I just don't see the market space for that alongside the PlayStation and Xbox offerings. As we've seen with the Gamecube and Wii U, Nintendo's core audience is probably a fair bit smaller than people like to think and so they need to have some kind of extra USP to draw in customers both buying a second console and from outside the traditional gaming sphere, as the Wii did.
     
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    I think there is. I think Nintendo's 1st party games are enough that if there was a Nintendo console equal to the XB and PS in every way including 3rd party support, but it also had Mario, Smash Bros, Pokemon, Zelda, Mario Kart, etc that it would be enough to convert a lot of people. Me and most of the people I know would be all over it in a second.
     
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    I'm still probably buying the Switch at launch just for the first party titles. Nintendo has a distinction (for better or worse) for being a different experience than the PS/XB in that those two cross platform a lot of their games but the Nintendo consoles have some of the most iconic titles (which are overwhelmingly great games) and Nintendo usually has the creative license to make some interesting consoles. Wii U was a flop, but the regular Wii was a smash hit, even if it was shallow. If the Switch can do what it claims, at a high level - it can be very successful. The 3DS and variations of it were phenomenally successful, with the Switch becoming a portable unit, maybe the developers of the 3DS games can afford to make that jump to the bigger console. (I don't know how game development works - maybe the Switch being a little underpowered is cheaper to work with?)
     
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    I think this is a fair assessment. But I don't think cheaper is truly a reason outside of underpowered being cheaper when your core audience is undeniably younger than that of your main competitors. Power is less relevant to kids who want to play Mario, Sonic and Zelda. They are targeting a younger audience. It's those of us that like the nostalgia games and want to play them that also use a PS4 and/or Xbox and/or PC that feel "jipped" a little. Not to mention, that it allows them to keep the price point lower and appeals to the parents of that generation, too.

    In Japan, the move is away from consoles and more to handhelds/mobile gaming. Has been for years, honestly. This is another example of that. Overall, I'm fine with the Switch. I think it'll be fine. I just wish the price point was a little lower.

    That said, at $299, it'll be half the cost of an iPhone 7, so why the hell am I complaining?
     
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    Haha, that last line is so true. People are so critical of console pricing, and you will generally hold onto that console for 5-7 years. iPhone brand new is close to $700 and will be outdated within a year. Also they strip features. In many cases, the forced software updates almost brick them in around 2 years.

    I have no problem with the Switch being $300 or $350 since it will be relevant until the life cycle ends, and still usable after that point anyway.

    ($250 Google Nexus 5X for the win, though. :D )
     
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    iPhone 4S user here, although I really do need an upgrade since the battery is really beginning to lose it.
     
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    Zelda is delayed, according to reliable tipster Emily Rogers and corraborated by other sources.

    So in other words the mainline series will have missed the entire Wii U.
     
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    Oh, and Rogers is also reporting that Mario Kart 8 is coming to the Switch with an all new battle mode. All this system needs now is a version of Splatoon and Mario Maker and I can safely abandon the Wii U!
     
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    I'll take a complete edition of Smash Brothers.

    That said, the Wii U is the best way to play Wii games... Just like the Wii is the best way to play GameCube games... And the GameCube is the best way to play Gameboy games.
     
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    This hurts a lot. I'm seeing rumors of a possible Mario game at launch so who knows
     
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    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-switch-spec-analysis

    Specs leaked, with some other reliable sources corraborating the information.

    If you want a tldr, the Switch is less powerful than the Xbox One even when docked. When undocked, the Switch runs at the same CPU clockspeed but runs at 40% of the GPU clockspeed. That still makes it more powerful than a Wii U but not substantially so.

    I think it gives us a clearer idea on what the Switch will achieve. In portable mode, it'll be more like a refined Wii U experience, although the more powerful CPU and greater RAM should allow for bigger and more ambitious design. Given the screen is 720p I don't think it'll be a massive deal since throwing additional GPU power at that resolution is a bit of a waste. In docked mode, you can expect higher resolutions and more refined visuals that are probably similar to the Xbox One in terms of quality.

    Perhaps if you wanted a visual powerhouse, you'll be disappointed. But for me these are realistic expectations for where price/performance/performance-per-watt is at in Q1 2017. After all, this is basically a modified Nvidia Shield. And on the plus side, it does bode well for both cost and battery life.
     
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    Price will be everything. I have a much different view than most in regards to that, but if it's more than the $200 the X1 is right now ($250 of the X1S at the VERY most due to it's portability) it's completely not worth it, to me. Generally Nintendo has been spot on with the cheaper console because they recognize their systems aren't up to technical par of Sony or Microsoft and can't rightfully charge the same price point. However, I've heard the same spatterings of $300, and that's just nuts to me.
     
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    I could give two shits about the price if it has good games, even if the launch lineup is like 75% beefed up Wii U games like Smash Bros, Mario Kart, and the Zelda HD Remasters, I'll pick that shit up, no problem.

    I just hope that they do a Skyward Sword remaster without motion controls, Star Trek Zero with normal controls, and release an actual Mario game that doesn't play on 90s nostalgia.

    They need to give us a good idea of the launch lineup and future games on the 12th. I need to know if I should be picking up the remaining good Wii U games that I don't already have or wait for the re-releases on the Switch.
     
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    Either way, Nintendo's consoles are typically worth what you get with them. The Switch looks intriguing, and I'm sure I will be getting it for my step son for his birthday in May. He'll obsess when it's promoted, and will ask for it. So, my hope is that I can offset the higher-than-desired price point by getting my family and/or my wife's family to pitch in. Perhaps all of us pitching in $100 for it, or something? I like Nintendo. I'm not sold on the power and performance, but I've also not had a hands on, so I will refrain from condemning that. I like the games, but I'll always prefer Xbox or PS to Nintendo.
     
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    PS2 had the weakest hardware of it's generation (not including the Dreamcast), and many would consider it one of the best consoles of all time.

    Not being able to do 4K at 60+FPS doesn't mean shit.
     
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    I don't disagree. I don't own a 4k TV anyway. A good console is a good console. I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm disagreeing, to my own personal opinion, that the price point is higher than I'd like given the hardware and performance. Not by much, but still. The console will sell, regardless of my personal opinion. I'll probably even hypocritically own one. But my opinion is still it's a little higher than I'd like.
     
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    I don't think Nintendo can afford to sell their console as cheap as possible right now. Obviously, they're not going to sell it for 400+, but they can't sell it for 250 or less, they'd take a huge loss...
     
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    No disagreement there. Again, my belief it would be overpriced at $300 doesn't mean it shouldn't be sold for that much. But I also wouldn't be surprised to see it drop to $250 at holiday 2017.
     
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    So Nintendo's reveal is at 1PM Tokyo time. That's the ungodly hour of 4AM for me, but I will wake up at a more sane hour and catch it before work.

    A Japanese dev tweeted about how he wonders Nintendo will introduce "that" feature. Who knows what it is. Perhaps it will just be a pervasive feeling of disappointment.
     
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    11PM here on the east coast. Just in time for me to hit the sack. Guess I'll be looking the stuff up tomorrow.
     
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    So, I watched the presentation. Have spent the morning thinking through it.

    Firstly, March 3 for $299/£279. A steep if not unexpected price. Fortunately I'm in the position where I don't really need to care about price. But more concerning, GAME and Amazon UK are listing the joy-con pairs at £74.99. That is almost extortionate. Hopefully the price of accessories will drop, but I can't see the console dropping before 2018. I think that unlike with the 3DS it is a fair price for the technology that it is.

    Secondly, there's not many games. At launch:

    Zelda
    1-2-Switch (this console's Wii Sports/Nintendoland equivalent)
    Super Bomberman R
    Just Dance

    There's some more coming. Mario Kart 8 will come in April, Splatoon 2 in the Summer and Super Mario Odyssey (first seen in the reveal) in the Fall. That's not terrible for Nintendo's big franchises, but it's still quite sparse especially if you already own a Wii U which already has one game and is getting another.

    As for the other games, ARMS actually looked pretty neat. Other stuff included Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors (yes, like Hyrule Warriors), a new Sonic game and a new RPG from Square-Enix called Project Octopath. On third-party stuff, they only showed Skyrim and FIFA. Personally, I couldn't give a toss since I wouldn't ever get a Switch solely for third party franchises that are on PC/PS4/One, but I think it's telling that they only showed a low-risk port of 5 year old game and a series that is so widely popular EA were still selling on the PlayStation 2 as late as 2014. I don't think it says anything definitive about third-party support either way, but I'm not really expecting big games to come flooding back to Nintendo.

    So, yeah. Personally I'm a bit more positive than most since as I said before I don't need to worry about price, and not being a Wii U owner stuff like Mario Kart 8, Zelda and even Splatoon 2 is probably of greater interest to me. But if you have a Wii U then it's definitely a harder sell especially since the key launch title is also on your existing hardware.
     
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    Yeah, I'm not surprised by the price tag, though I still think it's a little higher than I would have liked to see it, personally. I know I'm in the minority here. I am less concerned however, since it is more powerful docked. That was my biggest drawback. That it was the same thing docked as mobile and that meant that it was nothing more than a glorified tablet. But that isn't the case.

    I'm excited about the console itself because of its capabilities. But the price of another controller is exorbitant, at this point. Since I won't get it unless it's for my step-son's birthday, I'm hoping I'll be able to convince him to wait until holiday 2017 when the price may drop to the $250 I originally wanted. But I doubt I'll be able to get much beyond May with him. He is OCD like me, lol.
     
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    I agree with the above points. Zelda will be available for Wii U and the rest is not enough of an enticement. Also maybe they should offer a bundled version with two sets of controllers? Or the pro controller? With a bundle discount. I think they are killing a selling point, playing with friends. I don't think we will see a console price drop within the year unless things get really bad, only holiday bundle possibilities whether through controllers or games.
     
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    I think the price is fair for a new console. $300 isn't a lot of money in 2017. Consoles were selling for that new back in the 90s.

    On one hand I want to wait for more games because the launch looks sparse... but Zelda alone might be worth it. Mario Kart would be worth it as well since my wife would play it and older kid would love it. Splatoon and the new Mario in the fall would be the latest I would wait.
     
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    So...there are only two launch titles? Zelda and the tech demo?

    Ugh March 3 date...baby is due March 27...it was bad enough with Persona