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  1. Rick52

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    Season started like an hour ago

    Current Tiers (updated October 6th, listed alphabetically, yeah I'm doing this)

    Top Tier
    Boston, San Jose, Tampa Bay, Vancouver

    High Tier
    Buffalo, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington

    Mid Tier
    Anaheim, Minnesota, Montreal, Nashville, NY Rangers, Phoenix, St. Louis

    Low Tier
    Calgary, Carolina, Florida, New Jersey, Toronto, Winnipeg

    Bottom Tier
    Colorado, Columbus, Dallas, Edmonton, NY Islanders, Ottawa
     
  2. Apollo

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    There's me waiting for the large NHL thread to pop-up in my subscriptions in my userCP, and we've got a new one :).

    I hate to see Dallas down so low on everyone's rankings, but it does seem there's an awful lot to prove in the early goings. The good news, even though you can't really use it as a measuring stick, is that Dallas lost only once in the preseason. Small injuries seem to be an issue already, but with players like Tomas Vincour and Phillip Larsen having great camps, the spots that have been lost to injury should be in good hands.

    Yay, hockey's back to distract me from the miserable Premier League season :)

    First game in, and I'm loving the harder working Stars lineup. Souray still has that insane shot from the point, Ryder's got a tremendous work ethic going after loose pucks and creating chances, Fiddler's got some wheels to go with his face-off prowess, Jake Dowell was really effective while he was out there (big body, but he's great along the boards), and Tomas Vincour looks so much better than I've ever seen him. Dvorak was a bit of a no-show, IMO, but it's early days, and I expect he'll pay dividends as the season moves into the longer stretches. Looking forward to seeing Pardy out there at some point, though I'm certainly not in a rush to see Phillip Larsen moving down the baby Stars, as he was solid tonight, with the lone exception being when he wasn't paying attention and got wiped out. Very exciting to watch, and so much more entertaining than the one-dimensional routine they went with last year. If Kari can stay healthy and Raycroft can pick up a few more games this year, the Stars may be the surprise team in the West :).

    ...yeah, it's only one game, and there are going to be bumps along the way, but that was something special!
     
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    It's been confirmed today that Tom Gaglardi is officially the new owner of the Dallas Stars. He was unanimously approved by the NHL Board of Governors earlier this week, and today the bankruptcy court approved his purchase of the team.

    With immediate effect, Gaglardi now owns the Dallas Stars, half of the rights to the American Airlines Center and the various Dr. Pepper StarCenters. Also of immediate effect, Jim Lites has been re-hired as President of the Dallas Stars (served from 1993-2002, 2003-2007) and it's expected most of the backroom staff will be finalized following the introductory press conference on Monday.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=380777
    http://www.defendingbigd.com/2011/1...officially-announce-tom-gaglardi-as-new-owner
     
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  5. Apollo

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    I watched that hit, and it still just shocks me that someone like him continues to play the game at the NHL level. Granted, I'm biased given the whole Stephane Robidas incident, but he's been consistently pathetic since he came into the league. The only good he's done on the ice is checking himself into the Wings bench, otherwise he always seems to be involved in a cheap shot and turtling during fights (thanks, Staubitz!). The Preds need to figure out that he's ECHL caliber at best and get rid of the most disgraceful player in the NHL today.

    Edit: I also don't consider him to be a pest, like Steve Ott or Sean Avery, he's just a cheap shot artist.
     
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    Rather than talk about that moron, HOW ABOUT SOME REALIGNMENT

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=382065

    There would be four 'conferences', not divisions, conferences.

    Conference 1
    Detroit, St. Louis, Chicago, Columbus, Nashville, Dallas, Winnipeg, Minnesota

    Conference 2
    Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Colorado, Phoenix (pending), Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose

    Conference 3
    NY Rangers, NY Islanders, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Carolina, Washington

    Conference 4
    Ottawa, Boston, Toronto, Montreal, Buffalo, Florida, Tampa Bay

    Top four teams in each 'conference' would advance to the playoffs and face off against themselves in Conference Semifinals and Finals. The four teams that are left re-seed and play each other in Stanley Cup Semifinals and Finals.

    I'm intrigued by this, the biggest thing I don't like is that some conferences have 7 teams and others 8 teams but 4 teams from each will make the playoffs regardless.

    Also lol at Florida and Tampa just being shoved into the Northeast but they really don't have anywhere else to go in this format.
     
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    I quite like the new conferences, gives Dallas a chance to play Detroit, Chicago and Nashville (hate those homer commentators, but if someone manages to get Tootoo a time or two, I'll be happy to put up with it :D) more. Gets the Stars away from the Pacific, too, which is good!
     
  9. Alu

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    I'm okay with the new conferences for the most part. I'd actually love to get the Bs playing Tampa Bay more often, especially with how exciting Stamkos is...but yeah, pretty funny that they just threw the two Florida teams in the NE :D.

    Sorry guys, I missed the opportunity to talk about the Bs when they were terrible followed immediately by when they were incredible. I'm back in time to talk about them being pretty damn good though.

    Also, I had seats in the 5th row during their win streak, against New Jersey. Fun stuff.
     
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    So how 'bout that winning streak?
     
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    Looks about ready to end, to me...
     
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    If you're implying the Sharks are going to win tomorrow

    you're probably right

    though I thought Nashville was gonna do it last night but whatever
     
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    Oh wait, the Sharks. Yeah, they need to lose. Go Wings Streak, Go!
     
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    Now it's just ridiculous.
     
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    What a frustratingly good game today between the Penguins and Stars. Great back-and-forth action, just a lack of PP execution for the Stars :(. Still an amazingly exciting game, one that hockey needs more of!

    Also, Mike Milbury is a moron. Nystrom hit = clean. Primary point of contact was with the shoulder/chest area, the fact that the chin was clipped as a result of Letang's own actions is not relevant to the legitimacy of the hit. The refs agreed, seeing as the only call made came as a result of the post-hit scuffle (can't "rough" someone with a hit, so sayeth the NHL rulebook), and not any sort of hit-to-the-head game misconduct sort of call. There won't be a suspension, if Shanahan has any plans to remain consistent with his rulings, and there shouldn't be. Unfortunate that Letang was injured, yes, but mostly due to his own actions, not Nystrom's hit.

    Other than that, a great game (awesome to see Malkin get so riled up! :D)

    EDIT: Also, re: the Nystrom hit -- Technically, Malkin should have been given a minimum of a four minute minor for spearing Nystrom following the hit (Rule 62.1: Spearing shall mean stabbing an opponent with the point of the stick blade, whether contact is made or not / Rule 62.2: A double-minor penalty will be imposed on a player who spears an opponent and does not make contact). You can see in the video of the hit that Malkin deliberately spears and makes contact with Nystrom (an automatic 5 minutes + game, according to Rules 62.3 - 62.5) after the play. Yes, it's in an attempt to hook him so as to go after him for said hit, but the fact of the matter is that he did spear Nystrom. Point of all of this being that, while it's perfectly fine to stand up for teammates, and while it was almost certain that Nystrom was going to be targeted for a penalty in the scrum that followed it (c'est la vie), there is a point to be made that the refs missed what should have been a pretty obvious call. Pens fans can be angry about the hit all they want, but it was legal. Stars fans, by contrast, aren't particularly interested in the Malkin spear, but would have every right to be, all things taken into account. Wondering what I'm talking about? Watch the video posted here, at the 0:08/0:09 mark, you see Malkin spearing Nystrom in the lead up to the scuffle after the hit. For extra fun, watch the Milbury meltdown in the second video at that link. 'Tis quite the laugh :)
     
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    Similar, but the point of contact in that hit is much higher up than where Letang was hit. Nystrom also didn't come across at Letang like Weight did on Sutter, but both hits are pretty close based on the rulebooks during the time of those events.
     
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    only saw the hit later cause i wasn't watching the game live. given how it was played off by pitt media i thought it was gonna be some brutal hit, but yeah, i agree with you, it shouldn't get a suspension and was hardly dirty.

    shame regardless cause it sounds like letang could be out for a while.
     
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    What I've read so far on the media side seems to agree, for the most part, but the way Mike Milbury "adamantly defended" his position that Nystrom targeted the head and should be suspended (and Keith Jones that "it should be suspendable because of what happened in the playoffs last year when Brent Seabrook was ragdolled for the seven millionth time in his career by Raffi Torres") was really ridiculous. It's like he has tunnel vision that any hit that causes the player to go off injured is automatically a head shot (surely if someone took a puck to the foot where there isn't much protection it would be a headshot, too!). Stupidity.

    It is a shame that Letang left the game with what looks like a concussion, or at least "concussion like symptoms." He was having a pretty big impact on the game to that point, and you never want to see someone go off injured.
     
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    At least this time they kept him out of the game unlike last time. When the guy gets his nose broken on a hit, it might be wise to not put him back in.
     
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    True enough.

    On the plus side: the league has decided there won't even be a phone call hearing on the issue. It was deemed a perfectly legal hockey play, and that's the end of that.

    On the negative side: There have been people on Twitter writing messages directed at Nystrom that involve threats against his life. Being mad about hockey is one thing, but that's just absolute unbridled stupidity.
     
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    well, idiots will be idiots regardless of team affiliation. it's a shame, though to be honest it's not unexpected given how big letang is for the pens.
     
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    I can understand it to an extent, and I'm sure if one of the Stars' top defensemen went out injured and the player that did it was available on Twitter, I'd probably want to rant a bit, too. Threats against another person's life? Over something as trivial as a hockey game? No. Beyond stupid. They need to take a step back and come back later. Have a good rant, sure, but there's certain crap that's just...no.
     
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    So the Krejci line has been cold of late (since Horton went down), and so has Seguin. Best solution? Combine the two, apparently.

    All 4 of Boston's goals last night came from people on this line...and it seemed like they had been playing together for years. The three (Lucic being the third of course) have their own distinct styles of play, and it's hard to contain it all at once.

    I am once again very excited, even after a single contest.
     
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    since the last post itt:

    -half the red wings get hurt
    -red wings lose several games in a row
    -they finally get healthy except in net
    -they lose to Columbus' emergency goalie

    I'd say let the playoffs start already but I really don't want the Wings to play Nashville in the 1st round :/
     
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    I would love for the playoffs to start right now, since:

    1.) Phoenix would be out, hah.

    2.) Dallas would be in 3rd (Pacific Division Champs, w00t!)

    3.) Matchup with Blackhawks...mmm...

    4.) The end of this ridiculously close race in the West.
     
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    It's been a crappy year for Montreal :( Hopefully the management cleanup helps but the players need to player better.
     
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    So how'd your team do in the Draft?

    First, and most importantly, something I've been dreaming about for the past couple of season: Mike Ribeiro was traded! :):):). Caps pick up a good second line center, Dallas picks up a prospect center (realistically, 2nd/3rd line at best?) and a second round pick. Basically guarantees they're going to make a move for Parise or Semin, or something in the trade market. Adds a lot of extra cap room, a gaping whole at center and another prospect to come tomorrow.

    Now for the draft -- I'm very happy with Dallas' pick, Radek Faksa. He appears to be a very solid player, he knows how to put up points at the lower levels, and while he's got some muscle building to do, he's got decent hands and skating ability. It also helps to get somewhat attached to the lad based on his story of living in a hotel on his own at 11 years old to play hockey. If he even turns out to be a fraction as talented as he's lining up to be the fans will latch onto him. Personally, I like what I see thus far, but I did say the same thing about Scott Glennie, and he hasn't really panned out to date. Looking forward to Faksa, though!

    Tomorrow should be interesting.
     
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    The best thing I can see coming from the B's pick is a potential Subban vs. Subban fight when we play Montreal. In fact, there was an article about this very thing already: http://bruins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=635697

    Though that would be pretty fantastic. I guess it was a good plan to get another goaltender in the mix with Thomas essentially done. Rask will be #1 and Khudobin will be his backup. We're losing Corvo on D, but Dougie Hamilton could be ready to step up...and Corvo never really fit in anyway. Should be another good year for the Bs.