GPW InterAction Booking Topic [11.27.13]

Discussion in 'Global Pro Wrestling' started by Dean, Nov 22, 2013.

  1. Double }{

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    For the record, I'm wildly against the idea of crowd-sourced results, mainly because of the extreme inconsistency that is inevitable with that method.

    Think of group work from school, only instead of, say, a science project, you're all working on the same English essay. You wouldn't all write a different paragraph, cram it into the same paper, then turn it in, right? It would look and read ridiculous, and the tone is liable to change significantly with every new writer.

    Honestly, my best advice is to move to shorter results. I still haven't perfected it myself, but basically it's just giving a recap of the show in short-form, which is fairly close to what I was doing the last time anyway but more refined.
     
  2. Eternal Phoenix

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    I don't disagree with that. It's liable to work just that way. However, I do think it's a option that should be on the table. For the most part, we're all grown adults with jobs and familes. Free time is at a premium. If it'll get results done in the least amount of time and stress, I say go for it.

    Also, and this is the important bit, it relieves the burden of running the fed from resting entire on one or two people's shoulders. I've always thought that much responsibility for something we all do together being held by one or two was a bit weird, honestly.

    One last bit. We're all good writers, right? That's generally agreed upon, isn't it? So why would the results continue to be bad and disjointed, assuming fed runner plays editor to make things fit properly? It may go that way at first, but as I said, we're all just too good for that to continue.
     
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    That last assumption is another problem in and of itself: once the person in charge has to start editing what's sent to them by others, they may as well just write the thing themselves. Believe me, it's something I've utilized before, and in my experience, it hardly saved any time at all.

    A lot of us have already said we don't read everything in the results, and I'll throw my hat in that ring as well. Even stuff I was writing when I did results-- especially my own stuff, even -- wouldn't hold my attention on a second look. I thought it was just me, but maybe a lot of us have just grown out (or gotten tired) of reading matches. No matter how well-written (and they are, in my opinion) a match can be, it's hard to stay focused on watching one nowadays, much less reading it.

    You're right: we're mostly guys with jobs, families, etc., and we don't have a lot of time, but personally, I don't have any more time or patience to read a drawn-out result than I do to write one. I'd just as soon read a brief recap of each show, focusing on important matches and angle development (even a recap of a lengthy promo would be cool here), and see a list of wins/losses at the bottom in short-form.

    For me, e-fedding -- and even televised wrestling, at this point -- is about angles, not matches. That's just me, though, maybe.
     
  4. Ice Cold

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    I really think shorter results is key. When I've got the time and the patience to sit down and read longer results, I love doing it. Especially here because Zio and Dean put together some really great stuff. But, just as everybody has said, we don't always read the results. I think the key thing to remember here is that when the show schedule gets backed up, that's when the activity and life of the fed take a hit. I'd much rather see abridged results for shows to prevent them from being late. Even PPVs. I know that in a perfect world, we'd love to see quality results every time, but I'd much rather things be kept moving at a smooth pace.
     
  5. Cannibal3rd

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    I'd say for productivity sake that you combine:

    ...and the current norm. If not just put up a vote. We all would love to read results when you and zio can dish them out, but if life just won't let you then we'd more than likely accept a cut down version to keep things going.

    We're creative people, I'm sure it won't be too hard to fill in the blanks and chat to some people to fill the voids where needed.

    I've always felt that the running of a fed has always been more stress than it needs to be. Not saying people have done a bad job of it, we all know things have been fantastic over the years. PPW, PW+, HCW or... whatever was around during my hiatus. But I think you guys need to figure out how to cut the work load on yourselves when things get rough in life. We've said here we won't hold it against you if we get a cut down results page, aslong as we can still dish out stories and promos I think most of us will be happy.

    Random British babble over.
     
  6. Leper

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    The way I always looked at the results is not as an essay or even a comprehensive article or novel, but when you get multiple writers it's kind of like a collaboration of short stories dealing with similar subjects. I see books of this nature all of the time, and people seem to buy them. Just my thought on it. I've run a number of feds and always had a writing staff of four or more people, and I never had any problems getting out results on time or heard any complaints about quality. I was always the weakest link, however, in the staffing, as I would just get disenchanted or something of that nature in my younger years and would simply give up on the product. It was a lot easier to do back then, because there was always at least one other fed around, and I'd be taking in the second or third string characters, with WPW being the exception, so it never seemed like that much of a loss.

    Now, we don't have that kind of luxury to just dally around, and I think, and I'm not even a stickler or that invested (though I have been checking in multiple times a day), that this conversation has gone on maybe a little long without even partial results out. Even just some winners would be nice so maybe things could get moving.

    I'm also thinking about changing two of my three characters, so there is also that to look at. Just for the sake of argument, who is actually willing and actually able to help write results anymore? I have to stay up with my baby in the night time more often than not, so that's when I have my free time anymore and I know I could pick up on some of the writing load, but there's a lot of "busy" talk around the water cooler here, so I'm just curious as to who isn't "too busy" to help.

    Anyway, we're all older now, we're all more experienced, and we all are here for a reason. It's not going to be a big 2007 revival of having weekly blockbuster novels to read, and I don't think any of us have time to read and appreciate those anyway, though it is easy to wax nostalgic about those times and try to revive them. It's hard to admit that's not going to happen, but it is a reality, and it's probably a positive thing, as I think that just means we all have more important stuff to worry about, as it should be.

    Even still, we can still do something and have some fun, and this topic should stand as a monument of that, as the will most certainly seems to be there. So, what we need now is to find the way, I suppose.
     
  7. Dean

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    I appreciate all your guys' input. I really do. I've read through all the posts and everything, and I just wanted to clarify that yes, time (or lack of it) is a big reason for what keeps happening. For example, I spent most of this past weekend babysitting my niece, Christmas shopping, and taking care of more important life stuff. I may have been able to squeeze out some results, but to be honest, there's been no real help. Zio is busy as well, I assume, as we haven't even talked to each other on Skype or anything for several days.

    Now, as for the ideas presented here, I tend to agree with Double H's assessment that trying to create a hodgepodge of all these different results styles is probably not a great route. The tone, style, and flow of the show might suffer as a result. People might reuse spots, have drastically different writing styles, and most of all - and I realize how hypocritical I sound for saying this right now - but there's been a problem with reliability and dependability of staff in the past. I've tried big writing staffs before, and I suck at managing them, and I usually wind up frustrated as a result.

    Anyway... the other thing I just wanted to say is it isn't SOLELY the time to write results that is an issue. It's that it always seems like the people that we need to RP don't and the ones you don't expect to do. I know that's part of the challenges of being a booker and e-fed runner, but it gets old pretty quick. I'm not going to just have whoever I want win for a storyline if someone doesn't RP or RPs late. That's not fair to those who DO RP. But it just seems like for the last several e-feds and the major storylines, it's like a bad case of deja vu with Murphy's Law. Everything that can go wrong seemingly does. People have to quit or miss RPs at crucial moments in storyline arcs. The House Midnight angle has already been screwed up pretty bad, and a few other feuds have also been ruined.

    Maybe I'm just less tolerant of it now, and I'm more selfish of my time, and if people aren't interested in the storylines when they're participating in them, and they don't RP because of that, it's my fault... but I'm also not going to waste my time if people aren't RPing. I don't even know how to explain it, but I'm just morose about the whole situation and I feel like a prick for it but with no real support and just a feeling of spinning my wheels, I have little motivation and dread moving forward... I don't even know what to say.
     
  8. Leper

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    Well, it's been mentioned that we should have a vote for how some things should be handled, so maybe that should happen. Also, maybe just some winners might be nice and then going back to the drawing board on some things and trying to find stuff for the people who are active my be a productive step. We seem to have a lot of ideas, but it would also seem like everybody is waiting on you, Dean, to make a solid decision. Everybody understands, sympathizes, and empathizes, I'd say, as that is the general tone, and I know all too well about frustrations, but, yeah, something has to happen.

    Or, it doesn't happen and everything just shuts down. That's an option, too. Doesn't sound like that's what anybody wants to happen, but we've made more progress towards that outcome than maybe the other until we get something figured out or at least this marred show behind us.

    Anyway, I support you, but it seems like you don't really support yourself and are actually kind of campaigning against yourself, in a way. Not sure if that's how it is supposed to come off, but you sound really beat down and like you don't want to continue. I hope that's not the case.
     
  9. Dean

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    It's probably the truth, though. The thing is, I don't want to become bitter about this... I really enjoyed e-fedding, but at this point, it's become so watered down that I don't even find as much enjoyment or have time for it anymore, so yeah. I guess it's just getting to the point where it was a chore but it was worth the task because of the enjoyment I got out of it, but with the problems I mentioned above, the pros are being outweighed by the cons.

    I'm actually trying to work on some of the results now, but my partner's sleep schedule is screwed up and he said it'd be a couple nights before he can help out, so yeah... and I'm writing at a slow pace anyway.

    I've been looking for someone else to step up for a long time, but it's never happened, and I don't think it ever will on this site.

    EDIT: I should reiterate, I'm not blaming Zio. He's often motivated when I'm not, or I'm motivated when he isn't, or whatever. We just have different sleep schedules, different times when we usually write. Sometimes we click and can get a series of shows out, but other times it becomes difficult. The part about waiting on someone to step up was directed at how after PWW ended, which was probably the longest I've run any e-fed since UWE/WHW, I was waiting on a new person to step up as the premier fed-runner on GW. It's my own fault honestly that I drove so many people away, like Double H, who I'm very glad I've made amends with, or Neo, who I did pretty despicable things do several years ago. But there've been people like Josh (xXUnderGroundXx), Marty, X, etc. who I thought might become the big fed runner. I thought it'd be Joe, or maybe somebody like CONTRA or whoever, but for whatever reason, it's never seemed to work out. It's just disappointing, I guess, as I do like to run e-feds, but I guess it's just difficult for me anymore. But I know it's pretty much come down to me and only me, and it's become more of a burden than a joy.
     
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    I may try to start PCW up. I had always intended to keep the results short (mainly because I can't write as well as Dean) so maybe I might have a decent shot at getting something going.
     
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    I'm toying around with dipping my toes back into fed running (and by that I mean actually running them for once), probably with either the developmental type fed discussed several months ago or a promotion based around backyard wrestling. Gonna have to wait until the new year for anything specific.
     
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  12. Leper

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    Well, I'm willing to help out anybody with any project, GPW included, as I feel I can bring a lot to the table as a consistent match writer. I've only gotten better over the years, and I've been working on it consistently for a long time through other ventures. This is currently the only thing I'm trying to put any writing focus on, and I really don't want to put my writing to work for anything else, so, hopefully something pops up or gets going or something.

    And truth be told, you set the bar pretty high, Dean, and nobody can really do what you do, so the e-feds not having some great second coming is only a testament to how great your run really has been as the premier fed head. I remember the days before you were running things, and I liked those days, but then things just got accelerated to a point beyond what anyone could have imagined. That took a lot of work on a lot of people's part, but mostly yours, and you've given it everything and continue to do good work. But, like I said, it's easy to wax nostalgic for times past, and I often do when it comes to this place, not just this forum, but this site, simply because I'd made a lot of mistakes and been way too serious about a lot of stuff when I was a kid that I really wasn't able to fully enjoy it. Hell, I could have done a lot of things better and maybe this all wouldn't necessarily be this way, but I didn't, because I'm not as good as you. I had some ideas, and I got some stuff going, and I saw a lot of other guys with ideas get stuff going, some good, some bad, some blah, but you were always able to rally people up and bring out the best and put out the best.

    However, as far as we may have ascended, and as great as all of those times were, we had fun times, great times, before, and we can still have some after, but we'll have to come back down to Earth, get our heads out of the clouds, and accept that we can't keep trying to do the same thing over and over keep expecting a different result. If you can't do it alone, and the team isn't working, like everybody has said, help is there. If you're giving up on yourself, just know that nobody else is giving up on you, and I don't think we're giving up on the community either, so there's that.

    I'm just hoping to see some results soon and then maybe address more seriously the infrastructure issues that are stopping us from getting where we want to be, which is consistent and acceptable output, from what I've gathered.
     
  13. Northern Lights

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    I was genuinely reading that and thinking "I never knew Dean was gay".
     
  14. Dean

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    Haha, I almost reworded it because of that but I couldn't think of a better way to say it, so I just left it. Oh well.


    Thanks for the kind words, Joe and everybody. I've got a Christmas party after work to go to tonight, so I doubt I'll be able to get much done on results until Wednesday, but hopefully they'll get finished Wednesday night.
     
  15. Northern Lights

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    Just to say that you won't ever have to apologise to anybody here, Dean. Before you came along, nobody else ever really thought about running a fed. The mods did it. That's the way it was. E-fedding is so much more open nowadays and would have probably died out five years ago if you didn't have the determination to keep dragging most of us back to it kicking and screaming. ;)
     
  16. the dmg

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    I'm not too sure what the best course of action is, but if there seems to be a pattern of the holiday seasons affecting performance, maybe there should be a schedule reduction. So instead of doing four shows in November and December, it's just two, and then a one-shot to close out the year.

    And to reiterate, I'm here for the long haul no matter what happens.
     
  17. Dean

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    I'm very sick. Vomited 4 times this morning among other things. I doubt results will be up till possibly this weekend, I don't know at this point. Sorry, guys.
     
  18. Northern Lights

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    Hope things get better soon and it's nothing serious
     
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    Yes, man, best wishes and hope you get well soon and it's nothing worse than a stomach bug or something.
     
  20. Dean

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    Half the show is up, albeit in a bare bones format. Going to try to finish the rest in the next couple days.
     
  21. Northern Lights

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    What are you thinking about the future of the fed?
     
  22. Dean

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    All I can say for certain is this won't be the last event.
     
  23. the dmg

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    Ooh...some results, will read.
     
  24. Dean

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    So... to reiterate... this won't be the last event.
     
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    However you like it, Dean-o.