Horizon Zero Dawn

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  1. The Eye in the Sky!

    The Eye in the Sky! That guy eating pie Moderator Premium Member

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    I know its long overdue, but I just took down my first Thunderjaw. It was a very Jurassic Park feeling as I was using ruins of a building for cover and it kept sticking its head around the corner looking for me. I'm so overpowered now at level 36 and have all of the rare weapons and upgrades up to this point that after I tear blasted its disc launchers and armor away, I just kept peppering it with hard point arrows in the heart until it died. They move a lot slower than I expected but they're still awesome.

    For context, I'm doing story missions that are recommending level 16.
     
  2. Jon

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    Now that I've finished Mass Effect Andromeda, and I'm not feeling the multiplayer excitement like I was in ME3, I can consider making this purchase soon. I get a refund from school this week, so it works timing wise. However, I'm also moving, so there isn't much time for that.

    That said, anyone free in the Haverhill area next Saturday wanna come help me move? :angel:
     
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    No!

    So I did a few more main quests and found out a ton of back story behind how the world came to be and who were the major players. I also found out who the main threat is in the actual world. It's pretty cool - so far there have always been 2 main story quests active, one related to finding out the past and one for the in game time. The game felt much more laid back and explorable before but now I want to keep doing story missions to find out what exactly happened in the 21st century to cause this and why this particular enemy wants to take over the lands.

    Good stuff. I got a couple of hours into Persona 5 but I'm putting it on hold until I wrap up Horizon.

    In fact, I'm starting to like Horizon more than Zelda... maybe its Zelda fatigue as I've played 80 hours of it, and a lot of it is rinse and repeat gameplay (fun gameplay, tho), compared to 44 hours of Horizon. Maybe its the lack of story in Zelda for long patches, but Horizon feels really dense with lore and characters. I also enjoy the combat much more than Zelda.

    Battle notes:

    I finally took down a Stormbird. I'd been avoiding them but the end of a long side quest made me fight one. It killed me 3 times - once I fell off the mountain trying to avoid it and died, the other two times it just outsmarted me. I think it was harder to take down than the Thunderjaw. It has so much HP that it really wasn't a fun battle but more of a grind. Makes me long for the fights with Glinthawks.

    I remember when Chargers and Watchers presented a threat in numbers, now I can pretty much one shot them... but I'm still scared to fight a Behemoth or Rockbreaker.
     
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    I think Zelda is a bit overrated to be honest. The combat is decent but nothing special, the side quests are lacklustre and I'll admit to being slightly disappointed in the puzzles. The world is well realised but now that I've finished the main quests I feel little reason to go back.
     
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    It really depends on what you want - a pure sandbox game with almost no direction or limitations - or a cinematic, exciting open world game.

    The best part I can say about Zelda is I can enjoy it whether I've played it 4 hours straight or once every 4 or 5 days. You can just pick it up and decide what you want to do next.

    I wouldn't put it as a 10 out of 10, best game of the generation. I think some of that was hype for the Switch as well and the name Zelda. It's an amazing sandbox game, but it does leave some things to be desired. I'm glad I bought the Switch and Zelda but I think I've enjoyed Horizon more.
     
  6. Jon

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    I picked up a copy of Horizon last night and played for about an hour or so. The world is amazingly beautiful. And after coming from Andromeda, the facial animations are just spectacular in HZD. The emotion on Aloy's face when she's discussing something sad blows away anything currently in MEA. Controls I'm not too thrilled about as yet, but I think that's partly because it's away from the norm of traditional RPGs and shooters. If there is a way to even simply swap L1/L2 and R1/R2 then I thin kthat alone will be more comfortable for me. I haven't checked if there is control modification.

    Thus far the story seems interesting too. Though my only real complaint is that it feels a lot like Farcry Primal. In fact it feels like the menu and skills are almost copied directly from Farcry itself (which I'm shocked Ubisoft didn't scream and complain about, honestly). Not that it's a bad thing, but my biggest fear about HZD was that it was going to run into the same issues I had with Primal. The quests were not really engaging and combat was stale by the end of the game because all you get is bows and traps. Now Primal was 10,000 B.C.E. and HZD is the future, so my hope is that some futuristic elements play out (and shortly in you get to use a Gatling gun, which was a pleasant surprise to me; there's even a skill tree about "heavy weapons" which hints at more to come).

    Overall I'd say that HZD is going to be a strong game. Graphics, characters and story all appear great right now.
     
  7. The Eye in the Sky!

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    The amount of different faces in the game separates it nicely. Every side quest has a different looking character and pretty much all merchants look different. The controls took a little time to get used to. I still sometimes struggle with using the R2 heavy attack when I'm a split second late hitting L2 to bring up the bow. Other than that, I feel like it controls well once you're accustomed to it.

    The most interesting parts of the game are discovering the backstory and how machines came to exist in the world. It's much more interesting than the tribal stuff, which is pretty standard. The story missions are very engaging. They all have had about equal parts combat and story built in. I was nervous that the story is a bit too lite but it really starts building once you get past the Proving mission. I think combat shines more during exploration and the story takes a much more center stage during main quests. There is a fair variety of side quest missions as well. They remind me of the Witcher but much shorter.

    Hope you like it. I'm struggling to find a game I like more than it on PS4 in all aspects. I think the Witcher 3 was better because the characters, world and story were so strong but Horizon is pretty strong in its own right and I think the gameplay is better. I use headphones sometimes later at night so I don't wake up the kids and the sound effects/music in the game is top notch. I forget about that aspect often because I play at a low volume, but it is excellent.
     
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    I do so far. I played for about another hour or so last night (moving sucks). While I am enjoying the game thus far, and feel like it's going to be completely entertaining, I still struggle to put it anywhere close to Witcher 3. The game is too similar to Farcry in a LOT of ways. Witcher 3 was a totally unique looking game. I still found the depth of the characters and story far better in Witcher 3. HZD is nothing to sneeze at, especially graphically, but I can't delude myself into thinking it's close to Witcher 3. I was hoping that HZD would be close because Guerilla Games has far more in common with CD Projekt Red than a company like Ubisoft or EA.

    I understand WHY it isn't mature, but I find games that hit the mature designation tend to have more depth to them than ones trying to be more family-centric. The Killzone games were all 18+ iirc, which would make them mature ratings by today's standards. I guess I was hoping for that with HZD instead of teen. Maybe I just like games with dark undertones? Take this paragraph with a grain of salt. More opinion than anything.
     
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    I agree with most of that. Its hard to explain but it definitely has a Witcher vibe with the quest and side quest structure as well as fetch quests feeling more fleshed out. The focus for example is so similar to Geralt's witcher senses.

    My sentence came across a little confusing after re-reading it. Witcher 3 is my absolute, no question favorite game of all-time. I've stopped including it in a lot of game comparisons because I think its head and shoulders above anything else I've played.

    After that game, HZD might be my favorite game of this gen. I'm enjoying it more than Zelda and other games like Uncharted 4 didn't grab me as much.
     
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    I see what you're saying. I agree. I actually like Focus better than Witcher sense because it's toggle. The pulse thing annoyed me, and I loved being able to fix that on PC. While I do enjoy HZD, and you're probably right about it being one of the best this gen, I still have a hard time quantifying it as such because of its similarities to Farcry. My, personal, issue is that I like the best games ever to be unique. Witcher 3, Mass Effect 2, Red Dead Redemption... those are some of my favorite all time games, and each was incredibly unique. None really called back to another game or had extreme similarities. I do feel that when I pause HZD that I'm playing Primal. Again, not a bad thing, but I wish they would have taken a look at that and said, "hey, let's make this menu unique to us." Even down to the prereqs on certain skills, it's all right out of Primal. A lot of the move names are strikingly similar. Strike from Above/Below was called Death from Above/Below and perform the exact same function. Again, though, not a thing here takes away from the actual gameplay, though. Which is awesome, so far.
     
  11. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I've heard the comparisons. Luckily I've never played FC Primal so this is all new to me.
     
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    I think that's my problem. I did play Primal, so it feels like a redux to me. However, I enjoyed Primal, so the comparisons aren't groundbreaking to me.

    I will say, though, when I started playing HZD I had to stop for a moment and ensure Ubisoft didn't make the game. LoL.
     
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    The one thing that I can say about Guerilla Games is that they made everything count in the game. What I mean by that is that in comparison to a Ubisoft game where there are collectables for no reason other than to extend the game, HZD has collectables that actually contribute to enhancing the lore, or adding a little to the fetch merchants. Sure the Banuk figures and the metal flowers are fetchy, but you can sell them to merchants for resources. The vantages and ancient vessels are fun because they give a little glimpse into the past. All of the data points are meant to contribute to the lore as well.
     
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    I can see that. As I've mentioned, nothing that makes the game similar to Primal holds it back. Farcry is a successful series. I'm enjoying my time with HZD as I did with Primal.
     
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    Holy crap, I only have two story missions left and things just got crazy - these quests where you mostly just spend time learning about the past through holograms and exposition as awesome and I can't wait to see how it all ties together in these final two quests. I feel like the game has gotten stronger towards the conclusion, which is not usually the case in my experiences. Aloy has grown on me, she was a bit generic throughout the beginning of the game but her attitude changes and confidence level rising along with her determination to uncover the past is moving her into one of my favorite protagonists in a while.

    The only thing that I can say negatively about it at this point is that there are too many human battles in the main story compared to machines. But I did just have an awesome story battle with a beast that I'd never fought before.
     
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    Can anyone tell me where to find the 5 power cell's so I can unlock the armor in the bunker?
     
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    You get them mostly from main story quests. First one is in the vault that you visit in the Nora homeland when Aloy was younger. You have to break through some blocked caves with her spear. 2nd is in the mountain temple after the Proving mission, I don't want to spoil the story depending on how far you are, but the last 3 are all during main story missions towards the end of the game. Quests called Makers End, The Grave-Hoard and The Mountain that Fell. They are all just off the main path so check all areas in those missions.
     
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    Did you see Vanasha's abs lol
     
  20. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I just did last night. Jealous. That was my last side quest available in the game. I have all of the vantages, artifacts, metal flowers, all machine scans, almost all data points and all corrupted zones finished. I grabbed the shield weaver armor right after the Mountain that Fell and have just rampaged through the rest of the side content. That armor is almost cheesing. The only fight that has given me a little trouble since getting that armor is the corrupted area with 2 rockbreakers.

    The only thing for me to do tonight is to start the final mission... its been one awesome ride.
     
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    I got bored and stopped playing for a while. It's similarities to Farcry Primal had left me feeling way too repetitive with it. I'll go back to it soon, but I needed a break.
     
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    Finished last night - I'm only 2 trophies from Platinum, which I've never done before so I might try to do it. The last mission was good, it felt like everything was coming to a head. There were some choice weaponry to use otherwise it would have taken hours to complete. The last boss was good, if a little underwhelming because it included things I'd killed before. I was hoping for one of the titan class machines somehow.

    Post-credits cutscene was fantastic, great set up for the next game.

    The ending was phenomenal as well. When I originally started getting interested in the game, I'd assumed it would be more akin to a Tomb Raider or Uncharted, lots of action and a boilerplate story but was really surprised at how deep the lore went. I was expecting and action based open world game with a story to guide you, but the story really took over in the 2nd half of the game. The tribal stuff and present day story was good but the backstory about how the world and machines came to be was very, very good. That's why I keep on with the Witcher comparisons, the world and setting a deep and meaningful in almost every sense, the characters are relatable, side quest characters are interesting and there were real emotional payoffs that I was NOT expecting. It well rounded Aloy as a character and now that Uncharted is presumably over, I can see her taking the reigns from Nathan Drake as one of Sony's faces for years to come. The way she grew from simple Nora outcast into one of the smarter and more clever people in the world was awesome to experience.

    My best games of the last five years:

    1. Witcher 3
    2. HZD
    3. GTA 5
    4. Uncharted 4
    5. Zelda BoTW (for now)
     
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    I'd love to get the perspective of someone who played Farcry Primal as well as HZD. Typically a great story, which HZD has, trumps poor combat and mechanics. That's not to say HZD has that, it doesn't, it's just identical to Primal in almost every way. I feel as if I had played HZD first, this wouldn't be an issue at all.

    I wonder, Eye, if you went on to play Primal now, if you'd hate Primal because of its similarities to HZD?
     
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    Probably. I can see it from that point of view. I actually stopped playing HZD when Zelda/Switch came out for almost 2 weeks and didn't miss it. I was enjoying it throughout but it took until the 2nd half of the game to really make it hard to put down. If the story came on more quickly in the beginning it would be a bit easier to keep going.

    Once you get out of the Nora lands and walk into the western portion of the map it reaches another level. I thought the game was good up to that point, it becomes awesome after that. The mysterious past and how the world came to be was infinitely more important and interesting than the tribal problems. I cannot wait for the next game in the series because there is still so much backstory to tell.
     
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    I'm glad to hear that. I got bored and started playing a little NBA 2k17 to pass some time. Plus I've not had ANY time to sit down and breathe between work and school, so if I have less than an hour, I'd rather play a quick game in a sports title as opposed to risk getting into something like HZD and go to bed so much later because I got enthralled.

    I just started on my journey west if I recall, so that's a good sign. I've been waiting to enter my next vault-like thing, thinking that will likely kickstart a major story. It just hasn't come yet. And I find getting attacked by anything more than a sawtooth or a few machines I can one-shot to be much harder than it should be. Maybe it's because I never really adapted fully to the controls, but I'm less worried about that.
     
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    PS4 Pro with Boost mode is just a much better experience than the standard PS4. Especially if you got a HDR 4k TV.
     
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    So I've heard. The photo mode is also phenomenal. I've followed some people that get some of the coolest in game photos I've ever seen.
     
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    Now just imagine what Project Scorpio will accomplish.