Horizon Zero Dawn

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  1. The Eye in the Sky!

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    On Monday they released a 4 hour portion of the game to game sites and they are all posting their thoughts and it has me excited. The game looks great and apparently it plays great as well. I always love the idea of using an archer for a character, but games never pull it off correctly. This looks like it could be really good. The one major thing that everyone has agreed on in that the world and setting is amazing.

    Not a ton has been announced story wise, but I'm hearing the game is more RPG-like than Tomb Raider or Uncharted. If the game can be interesting over the course of say... a 30 hour story with decent side quests, it could be something special.

    Or if the writing is not good, and the gameplay is bland and repetitive it could be a slog. I'm not sure what to think - Guerrilla Games made the Killzone series and has no real experience in doing an open world action RPG. Most reviews are glowing in their previews with the caveat that they don't know how long the main story will be or if it will be interesting.

    There are now plenty of videos on Youtube if you want to check out some 5-20 minute gameplay videos.

    Cautious optimism is my take on it for now, but I'd love this to be a great 40+ hour new IP game. I've basically quit on FFXV and would like this to be something I actually turn my PS4 on for.
     
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    I'm so upset, everything I want is being released really soon (near my due date)

    - this game
    - persona
    - the KH series remaster
    - live action beauty and the beast

    ugggghhhhhh

    But yeah I want this game
     
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    I'm interested in the game, but I'll wait until it's pretty cheap on sale, have Yakuza 0 to play and then Persona 5 in April
     
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    Well, the Switch is coming that weekend and games drop sharply in price after about a month anyway, so I'll hold off. But I really hope it's good!
     
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    The review embargo lifted today and it is currently sitting at 88% with 71 critic reviews on metacritic. Praise has been for the combat, hunting and story. Aloy is being called a new iconic character and the entire story setting is said to be clever and thoughtful. The world and graphics are said to be among the best looking ever made and full of non scripted awesomeness.

    Now I'm sold. Some of my more trusted reviewers gave it a 95% and the other a 90%. Most are claiming that the main story is 30-40 hours long with a boat load of side quests - some fetch quests and some "Witcher" style where the additional lore and characters are worth more than the loot.

    I'm trying to find where to trade FFXV in towards it to get maximum value. Amazon has it for $47.99 pre-order with prime, but Best Buy is offering $18 trade in value... if only Amazon would take the PS4 version as trade in - they are offering $20 for the XB1 version.
     
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    Alright! Amazon just started taking trade-ins on FFXV so I got a cool $14.62 gift card balance to apply to the $47.99 prime price.

    I realized with my busy life that I probably won't get my hands on a Switch for a while. If they don't have them in stock at stores then I won't find one.

    Hopefully I can blast through Horizon in time for Mass Effect Andromeda... or Persona 5. Both will take a while to play through. If I can get a Switch around then... well, I guess I'll be stacked with video games for the rest of the year with Red Dead Redemption 2 coming...
     
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    I really didn't put much thought into this game until just recently. I'm intrigued by it, though. Although, I fear just how much it looks like Far Cry Primal. I enjoyed Primal, but using just spears and a bow for an entire game became boring near the end. The game felt too long to keep my interest in firing a bow consistently. The issue is, for Primal, you couldn't fight groups of enemies because a bow is too slow to take out multiple foes. So, you either had to fight one enemy at a time (boring) or the multiple enemies stayed far back from you to take out one-by-one. I fear this game will have to subject itself to the same issues.

    That said, the game is aesthetically gorgeous and the story has potential. Also, Ygritte.
     
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    The combat has actually been the one universally praised part of the game as being the strongest part followed by the environment. It has gotten that comparison to Farcry Primal but people have said it plays much better. The best comparison I've heard is if Tomb Raider and the Witcher had a robotic baby.
     
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    Yeah... but Ygritte.
     
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    My default gaming site is Eurogamer, who wrote a less positive review. So initially, I was a bit disappointed. Then someone in the comments listed some of the other review scores.

    Still not going to buy it at launch, but I'll definitely play this at some point.
     
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    I think this is my stance as well. I borrowed Mafia 3 off a friend to tide me over until Andromeda (I sent FF15 his way for the swap). So, I won't have much time to play this until much later anyway. Once I get FF15 back and after I finish Andromeda, I may swap out 15 for a used copy of Horizon Zero Dawn. But as for release day, I will probably let this go.

    And Ygritte.
     
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    Zelda/Switch for me, although the fact that new games seem to plummet in price within a month to six weeks here is a factor as well.
     
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    You're lucky for that. A used copy may drop $5-$10 after a few weeks, but new games remain full price for almost a year before they drop even remotely. (This is only true in stores, as online, you can find cheaper prices usually.)
     
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    So I played 4 hours of it yesterday and first impressions - it is phenomenal. The world is so immersive and the graphics are the best I've ever seen on a console. Gameplay feels like the Witcher 3 in terms of overall movement and pathfinding but is more intuitive when it comes to fast reflex moves. I've only encountered 3 types of machines but the game is hard due to me only having a couple of ways to fight right now. Just got the trip caster, which is a great tool. There are so many ways to enter a fight and bring it to its conclusion... and there are still 25+ other machines to discover.

    The characters are very emotive and every NPC I've come across that you can talk to look different. No same-y faces over and over and the voice acting is generally great. The level of detail and emotion is outstanding. And I did three side quests, and while 2 of them were the standard fetch quest, the characters and cutscenes involved give them more life than the typical side quest. Again, a little Witcher-y, but not nearly the same level.

    The introductory hour or so built the setting and characters very nicely and I'm totally invested. Can't wait to get home and play tonight. The hype is justified so far.
     
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    Glad to hear it. I'll look for it after I finish Andromeda.
     
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    Lol, I forgot that was this month. Goodbye free time!
     
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    I played some more last night and was mostly just hunting at night. I wear full ear headphones when I play so the ambient environment sounds are beautiful and then they get tense when the machines get near. They sound like a mix of horror and techno when they spot you. Almost reminds me of some of the sounds the Transformers make in those awful movies.
     
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    Keep the talk coming (spoiler free! ;)). I'm loving getting other people's opinion on this game. It sounds fun.
     
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    My progress may slow down as I've acquired the Switch and Zelda... but I have a half day at work (leaving soon) and I'm not sure if I want to play Zelda or HZD. So I guess thats a good sign.
     
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    I'm about 1/3rd of the way into the game if I were to guess (at about 35 hours playtime because I keep getting distracted by things to do) and it is still a great game. I just did a few more side quests last night and it was so much like a Witcher 3 quest that I was so happy. I had to track a thief that stole a family heirloom sword and found out that it was by a group of people who trade stolen items to help out the needy. They stole this one to fund a raid of a bandit camp that had kidnapped a couple family members. Good stuff like those quests make the world seem so much more personal than littering it with fetch quests.

    Also had the most intense battle of the game so far just by chance. I was hunting a Longlegs (looks like a robot ostrich) for a valuable item and tried to silently take it down, but I was spotted by the other two Longlegs that were roaming nearby. Apparently they were friends with three Scrappers (look like oversized robot dogs), three Glinthawks (giant robo eagles), two Grazers (robot antelopes) and two Sawtooths (giant robo tigers).

    It was insane. I found a perch and started firing armor piercing arrows at the Sawtooths as they are the strongest and had to keep blasting the others with fire arrows which kept spreading between them. I was able to hide long enough to sneak up on a Grazer and override him turning him into an ally, which apparently means they will kamikaze into the enemies because they have an explosive blaze cannister on their back that does massive damage. Had to use the ropecaster to tie the Glinthawks down to ground so they were contained. Once the Sawtooths were done, I mopped up the rest pretty handily.

    And yet... one Thunderjaw (T-Rex) kills me before I can even knock its health down by a quarter.
     
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    I've been playing the game too. I am dumb because I bought it the day before Persona 5 was released. Also I have a newborn

    I like how none of the NPCs share the same face, that is a step further from Witcher 3. And they are all ethnically diverse. I like the female lead but the game doesn't draw attention to it.

    I also like the underlying mystery of the game, haven't felt that in awhile. How did the world end up like this?

    A breath of fresh air after FFXV lol
     
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    I was home sick today so I played for about 3 hours and did another cauldron and now I can override some of the bigger enemies to help me fight.

    The only negative I have so far is how many longer drawn out human fights you have to do as part of the story. It's not a big deal but I'd rather have some more robot fights as part of the main story. The mystery and writing is quite good, though.
     
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    Been playing some more, okay I do have a few gripes:

    Some of the situations the game throws you into is really beyond anything. Like there have been a few times where all I can do is sit back and say, really, devs? This is what we're doing? Some of the level recommendations are way off, I struggle 10 levels ahead of the recommendation in some instances.

    I HATE glinthawks! They move around really fast and have the ranged ice attack. They are just a huge PITA to take down.

    Use Concentration you say? Yeah, except I can't count the number of times I've aimed to the sky only for my vision to be obscured by grass or foliage in the ground!

    And Override--sounds great on paper. Except the places where you really need it are the corruption areas where that doesn't even work. I rarely use it because the game doesn't allow for the mechanic where it really counts.

    The Merdian merchants. I collect these rare items, hard to get, but the reward is not really proportional to the effort.

    And the collection of resources. All I ever need is the medicinal herbs. I wish there was a setting to ONLY show me the little resource notification if it's a medicine herb. I have a bajillion ridge woods, etc. I don't need to see the notice for them.

    And the mount is another thing that also sounds good on paper, except I am constantly needing medicine herbs so I can't use my mount very much, I need to collect on my way to the location. It takes SO much effort to build up my medicine stock only for it to be wiped away fast in most battles.

    Speaking of notifications from earlier, this is another thing that is bothering me, whenever I need to follow tracks the game STILL tells me that I can press R1 to follow them without the focus. I get it already! I've done this many times! Please don't tell me every time.

    Resource management: it would be nice if I could rearrange my resources in the D-pad. I am constantly cycling through to get what I need, in some cases not getting to the health potion fast enough.

    That's all for now, the little things start to bother me. I am not very good at combat, I am trying to do a stealth build/run but often the game throws me in a situation where it's too late to use stealth.
     
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    The game can be hard. I like it because, while Aloy is probably the best hunter in the world, the machines are still much more powerful than her. I take more issue with how fast bandits can kill me.

    Yeah, I don't like Glinthawks, I think Stalkers are my least favorite because they're so vicious and smart. The camera problem with flying machines is my biggest problem with the gameplay.

    I disagree - I use it in many of the machine spawns to clear them out faster, especially the ones with aggressive, strong machines like Bellowbacks and Ravagers.

    Agreed - I'm mostly collecting them because there aren't a ton of them and it seems reasonably doable to 100% the game.

    Haha, that's true. I think I've gained a second sense on which are the medicinal ones as I can just grab them on the run just by the looks of the them. Occasionally it will be a Fire Kiln root but its usually pretty easy.

    Yeah, I never use a mount for that reason as well. I have used them a couple of times just to get somewhere quickly and outrunning machines. But I think they missed an opportunity to let Glinthawks be rideable so you could soar around the map rather than using fast travel.

    Guerilla Games has noted that this is a glitch and they can't figure out how to patch it, which is infuriating. When doing a task I've already done a few dozen times, and that tip keeps coming back and blocking my view. It's irritating.

    I was really bad at it until I just started forcing myself to tango with aggressive enemies. I recommend seeking out some Ravagers or Sawtooths as they are strong but not overly powerful. I used to avoid them if they were in group of 2 and loaded up all of my skill points into stealth but now will gladly take on a pack of them. As much as rolling around like a maniac is somewhat comical, I've enjoyed just being in hair raising battles in this game.

    The constant rolling seemed ridiculous at first because I always though Geralt rolling around like a maniac in the Witcher 2 looked stupid and took away from his badassness, so in the Witcher 3 I stuck to parrying and dodging rather than rolling. In Horizon, I feel like rolling and animalistic ways of fighting fits better into the overall scope. Where Geralt looked like a buffoon doing that, it fits in Aloy's arsenal of moves. Once I got over that it will look crazy, I just embraced it and Aloy became a crazy killing machine.

    Also - have you done any Cauldrons? You'll have to prepare for some battles in them that you have very little stealth opportunities. I just fought one that involved 2 Ravagers, 2 Watchers, 3 Scrappers and a bunch of bandits at once. It was... rough.
     
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    That's so weird you think bandits are the hardest thing. They are the easiest thing. All you need to do is hide in tall grass and whistle them over one at a time then use stealth strike. I've cleared camps without alerting anyone.

    But yeah you can't do that so much with machines, with cauldrons. I know which cauldron you're talking about but I'm pretty sure they fought each other?

    So what is your strategy for groups, do you roll and spear attack or do you use a different weapon?

    lol at them not being able to figure out how to patch it? How is that possible?

    And yes I hate the fire plant for that very reason
     
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    So I just had to read an article from Gorilla Games about coding for my master's program. It was a dry read. Lol.
     
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    I always seem to alert someone - my biggest problem I think is that I underestimate the enemy and don't keep tabs on my health as much as I do during machine fights.

    Cauldron XI, they are supposed to fight each other a bit but the bandit heavy with the deathgun was aiming at me and the Ravager and Scrapper that came out solely focused on me. So I felt up against everyone.

    For groups, I recommend the Shadow Hunter Bow if you don't have it. Hard-point Arrows are the best arrows I've come across. They do good damage and tear damage and if you modify the hunter bow to damage and handling, it is nearly as strong in damage as the sharpshot bow and nearly as tearing as the tearblast arrows but fires so much faster. I've also unlocked the critical hits to downed enemies with the spears. The one thing I started to do was remember to lay down traps often. Just anywhere. If a machine hits it, they will far incapacitated for a bit and the critical hit with spears works wonders.

    My main 4 weapons are the Hunter Bow, Sharpshot Bow, Blast Sling (Blast sling is love) and Ropecaster. I had to get used to the Ropecaster but it helps with the critical spear hits.
     
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    Finished it today. It's amazing how fast you can go when you've got a Velcro sleeping baby all day and motivation in Persona 5.

    Towards the end you pretty much want to stick with your bow. Fuck the Thunderjaw and fuck the Stormbird

    Tom you will definitely want to overcome your hesitation against human fighters towards the end, also highly recommend getting the super armor even if it's only available for the end game alol >:|

    So yeah my biggest complaint is still the medicinal herbs. They are a super pain to collect and max out. Also if ridge wood can be found in supply crates why can't medicinal herbs

    Re the plot: no spoilers but it is suuuuuper fucked up once you find out what happened oh my god

    Pro tip don't kill Nil you'll find out why at the end

    Also Vanasha and those abs god DAMN

    Oh also I am team Aloy and Erend. And this is what I have noticed in games with female protagonists (games where you can choose gender aside like Mass Effect). For some reason these characters never have love interests (Aloy, Lightning, Lara). But their male counterparts often do. Like you can't have a guy if you're a strong female warrior type. Just wish it wasn't portrayed that way.
     
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    I'm beginning to suspect this whole lack of time due to kids problem everyone talks about is a touch fabricated!
     
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    Good to see the ending is cool. I'm in the middle of the quest to find Erend's sister and just about to start the first quest out of Meridian to find Olin. So I'm still not too far. I played about an hour yesterday but it was mostly just hunting. I'm trying to push the story along now so I can get into the meat of it.

    But also because I'm planning to have Persona ordered and in my hands by mid next week...

    And kids do hamper things when they get older. As infants all they do is sleep and eat. My wife was so bored on maternity both times. I would love to have that time. I get about an hour or two a night and sometimes I will want to read or watch something, so I get about 6 hours of gaming in a week. I've had Horizon for a month and a half and am maybe halfway done... and its not even a long game. Persona is going to take me into the fall easy.