Final Fantasy XV: the thread

Discussion in 'General Game Help & Discussion' started by Quagmire, Aug 14, 2016.

  1. Jon

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    I'm dreading Costlemark. I hear it sucks. But it houses my last Royal Arm, so I want to finish it.

    I heard they are all mazes. Leading to tough enemies, most requiring level 99 and best in slot equipment to beat. While I usually welcome these challenges, in this game, I cannot fathom getting the 35 more levels I need to do so. There isn't enough EXP to go without finding a grind somewhere. And this game isn't good enough to "grind" levels away. My Noct is level 65. My others are level 60. And there's not a enough XP to get to 99 without a huge grind, and there isn't enough AP to get the third accessory slots like I want to. This is ridiculous.

    You're so right. We're in uncharted territory here. Not least of all, they've had 10 years to get this right and failed. That's impressive.

    I cheated and used a guide. Finished in less than 10 minutes. I wasn't about to hunt with not a single clue where to look. Are they nuts?

    I understand that, and see where you're coming from. I just don't have faith they will ever have that (delivering on a unique story without delays). It won't happen. If they make another numbered entry, it's going to hit the same deadline and snags this one did. And with the poor reception of this one, I wouldn't be surprised if 7 got canceled altogether. The story, while fantastical, in 7, is still a classic. It's got the elements all JRPGs are compared to. And that is why I hold them accountable for what happens with it. I've lost faith they can write a good unique story. 12, 13 and 15 have been atrocious. The choices to switch to more... marketable... characters as the "mains" have been failures (in 12 and 13). The brotherhood and family (in 15) was a GIANT miss and the whole thing felt forced; I mean good god... Gladio, Prompto and Ignis barely spoke for 10 years? Some brotherhood. The thing I was referencing was that 7 is there for them. The story works. Even if it's weak by today's standard, it works. They don't have to touch it to make it work. No need to delay for story reasons. No need to change protagonists last second. No need to market how fresh it is. It's all there for them to just take Windex to the glass. If they screw it up, they've sealed their incompetence.

    Confirmed Cor wasn't there. Luna and Regis were there, as was Nyx. I didn't watch the movie, so I wouldn't have known that. And that's another example of what not to do in this game. Unless you watched the movie, you wouldn't know who the hell one of them was... just like many other things in this game... The fourth person was the Iedolas. Who made no fucking sense even being in there as Noctis had nothing to do with the man... I know the bodies were fake. But still another missed opportunity to pull on the heartstrings.

    I will watch those links you put up when I have a bit more time, but I just feel like this game should have been called Final Fantasy 15: The Fellowship of Noctis.
     
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  2. Rachel

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    here's what you do...

    Go to the volcano tipster. There's a wyvern hunt you can repeat over and over. Go to the hunt and kill them with the ring. Then go back to the tipster and repeat the hunt. The whole thing takes a little over a minute since they are so close to the tipster. Then visit the Altissia hotel and get 3.0 EXP. You can get to 99 after about twenty to thirty minutes of hunting.

    To be honest though EXP has not been my problem. I'm doing okay with that so far. The problem has been AP, there are PLENTY of nodes I have yet to unlock with 333 and 999 and I just don't know how you can get all of that by the time the post-game stuff is finished.
     
  3. Quagmire

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    That's what I figured it was, I slightly remember that pop up, but I was trying to get somewhere for a hunt
     
  4. Jon

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    Good advice there. I had been just pooling XP and then going to the hotel when I get to about 100k EXP. But it's slow and arduous. I'll definitely give this a try, since the Altissia loading time is shorter than Duscae, Cleigne or Leide. And it puts you right in the hotel. Sleep, then warp back to the volcano area, provided there's a place to sleep there. I just don't remember.

    AP is a pain. I've heard people repeatedly camp (earning 3 AP a pop) or simply tie an elastic around their controllers' thumbsticks and leave their system on overnight while riding a chocobo. He'll run in circles earning 1 AP every so often. I can't see myself doing either of these though. Where are the low EXP, high AP monsters like in FF past? Where are the accessories that turn EXP into AP at a ratio? I mean there have always been ways to grind AP in FF past, but never THIS painfully slow.

    That said, the most common way of grinding AP that I've found is best explained in this video that I found (Warning: it MAY be considered a spoiler due to some items you acquire later in the game):



    It is STILL a massive grind that would take about 15 REAL hours of grinding to get every single ascension tree upgrade.

    Yeah, it was part of the main storyline, too, so it was very easy to miss.
     
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    holy shit that AP video. Guess I might try that later. Haha, and here I thought the shield had no use whatsoever, who would use that? I don't think I would grind for 15 hours, maybe one or two.

    Well I beat the tower dungeon yesterday. Rick had to be witness to super swearing because there's a spot where if you take a wrong turn, you have to fight three red iron giants and one or two of those snake ladies (that can toad/petrify you). It's super overkill. Also the camera angle sucks so bad in many parts of that dungeon. I took the wrong turn and decided there was NO way I was going to fight that group again, so I just waited for the summon to eventually come.

    Here's some more media for you all...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/FinalFanta...ously_ray_chase_noct/?st=ix0l0nmo&sh=a9561600

    Ray Chase (VA for Noctis) did an AMA awhile back. Some spoilers the further you scroll down...it's pretty funny. One thing I didn't realize is that the four have yet to be in the same room as each other. It was all done remotely. Actually that might explain some stuff...

    Also he has this technique where he sucks in air through his teeth? Have you noticed that? He said it helps provide extra time when the dialogue is short for the English version but it isn't for the Japanese version.

    This is a funny video of FFXV fails, it's SO bad but it's funny



    And lastly I just finished watching this, FFXV sins, it's pretty spot on (further you watch the more spoilers there are). Does a good job of cohesively explaining the things that are "off" and the plot holes.

     
  6. Jon

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    I did it for 15 minutes and got around 200 AP, I think a little more. It was boring as hell. But all I truly wanted was the third accessory slot for Noctis. My wife walked by and said, "isn't that exploiting?" My response? "Actually, the sad thing is it feels as if it was done purposefully as a grind so you have a reason to keep playing for hours."

    I agree. Costlemark was just bad design. That elevator in particular? Yuck. I did hit two magic doublecasts for 9999 each (so times 4) and a Ramuh summon to make the fight against Jabberwock so much easier, though. However, I'd like to know how that giant thing snuck casually into a Royal Tomb, stole that greatsword, walked back out, locked the door, and made it back into the basement of the tower without ever damaging anything.

    In one of the earlier videos you put up, they say they have met, but it was very late in the development cycle. But yes, it explains why there isn't a real feeling of camaraderie. It's quite annoying.

    Quality stuff. And spot on. Though add my bold part above. And it doesn't cover any other issues with the plot from post-game stuff. Like the flying car, adamantoise, time traveling, etc., etc. I also agree with his assessment in that by the end of the game, Ignis became my second favorite companion to Prompto. And Gladio was just bad.

    Scary, but his assessment that the DLC is going to be exactly what he's predicting. Why Gladio left the party, how Ignis went blind, what happened to Prompto after Noct knocked him off the train... and then the multiplayer component. Which I'd assume is going to be something more like co-op hunts, or co-op during the same phases on the game as opposed to anything actually cool.

    Overall, I've shelved this game for a while. I'm already bored of the tedious hunts and grinds. I never got to 99, I'm not doing a NG+ until the story patches go live (not to mention it will be pointless since the monsters don't level up, it's just ez-mode), and I'm not about to tackle anything like those super dungeon maze things until I've leveled up more. And sadly, the fact is, I know myself, and if I push that grind right now while I'm feeling bored and obligated, I'd never come back to it. So I'm taking a break to hopefully feel up to a bit of grinding.

    I really hope that there are some good patches and DLC for this game. At this point, I'm glad I haven't purchased the season pass. But the potential was there.

    I'm not angry, Square Enix. I'm just really disappointed.
     
  7. The Eye in the Sky!

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    Summons are dumb and I don't like how random they are.

    But the base infiltration at night in chapter 5 (?) was a lot of fun. I'm starting to ignore side quests and just continue the story. I'm way overleveled for story quests at this point and want to move the game forward.
     
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    Good call there. You need to be around level 45 for chapters 13 and 14, though. It'll be tough without that.

    There are some fun aspects of the game, but too many flaws overcome that.
     
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    this will probably be my last update in this thread

    So my husband and I have been doing the post-game content. It's great having him do this alongside me because I can watch him and determine if I want to attempt the same sidequests and dungeons.

    A theme that I have picked up on with the post-game content is that many of the rewards are not worth the effort. A great example is the map sidequest. You get a magic catalyst--but I never use magic. Or how about the final fishing quest--you get the best rod in the game, but at that point you've already fished the toughest fish in the game.

    Watching him, I've decided I will not attempt the dungeons. It's just not appealing to me, especially because I am feeling done with the game. Yesterday he finished a dungeon called the Pitioss dungeon. Holy. Shit.

    It's a secret dungeon that is almost impossible to stumble upon unless you look it up in a guide. You can only reach it through the airship. It is THE most intricate dungeon I have ever seen in a video game--and I've watched him play all the Zeldas.

    - It has no battles whatsoever, it is all platforming and puzzles
    - The reward is a hood that will let you auto-dodge (also a lot of ascension coins along the way)
    - It takes about three to five hours to complete

    After watching it, I do not understand why they have such a hidden, elaborate dungeon in the game when they could have maybe focused that energy on the story. And another problem: Noctis does not control like a platform game character. You have to make INCREDIBLY precise jumps. It was crazy watching him...you have to jump on these super-thin rails in some spots. And your timing needs to be impeccable. But Noctis has extra animation because he's supposed to just be climbing field ledges, stones etc. It was super bizarre.

    Then last night--I'm not kidding--I had a nightmare about Pitioss. It was that bad trying to watch him go through it (just watching someone else! Not even playing it myself!). Some people like that type of challenge but it's definitely not for me. When he emerged, the game said seven days had passed since Noctis last rested.

    Anyway...I did platinum the game today. It's not too hard, you don't need to complete the dungeons. I did need to beat the Adamantoise though. I have a huge problem with that hunt...I can tell it was mostly as a show-off in pre-release demo footage and trailer footage, to showcase his size. When you actually fight him it's boring as hell. He has a ton of HP but poses no real threat, his attacks are very weak. He's definitely no Yiazmat.

    Other stuff...I did finish the toughest chocobo race and got the Liege of the Lake and the devil grouper thing. Very, very tough final fish. I barely caught him. But I'm glad I did.

    So yeah, I think I'm about done with the game. The upcoming DLC featuring the bros doesn't really appeal to me. I'll watch him beat all the dungeons from the sidelines.
     
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    It sucks that the reason I put the game aside seems to be echo'd in your thoughts. I don't have any desire to go back to playing it. I may trade it in just to avoid feeling any urge to waste money on the DLC, because I know I'll be tempted. I've avoided the grinding and the like just to be able to try something like the Adamantoise. I don't even want to bother. Those giant enemies should feel like epic battles, but they didn't. I've been playing Mass Effect 3 and much happier with that game. I may even replay the three games again. I've just no desire to touch FF15... and I'm broken-hearted about it.
     
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    I have not played since January 1st... and I have no real desire to.
     
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    is it because of us

    If it's because of us I feel bad
     
  13. The Eye in the Sky!

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    No, I kind of just lost interest. The characters don't really do anything for me and the story is so disjointed and in the background that I feel like its just an exercise in free roaming than an RPG. I'm much more into reading that playing the game. Books have way better stories and I'm more invested in the series I'm reading than anything in FFXV.
     
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    Not played the game, but from what I read and have watched the game certainly betrays its tortured development in some aspects. I think if they develop FFXVI properly the groundwork is there for them to do a pretty good job. The story must have been tough as they've basically constantly remoulded more than a decade's worth of ideas, and no doubt some character development and general plot points were muddled along the way.
     
  15. Jon

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    I think the game alone does a remarkable job of alienating its player base. For a game tagged for fans and first-timers alike, I don't think either enjoyed the game.

    While I completely agree with your assessment, I think that a game with a good story is more than sufficient. My wife is much the same as you. Prefers books to games. She's always plugged into her tablet listening to books on Amazon while doing everything, eating, sleeping, housework... Me? I hate reading. I have to be completely captivated from the start of a book, or I lose interest and never pick it up again, much the same as you with games. I enjoy replaying a good game. I won't re-read a good book. I liked the Harry Potter series, His Dark Materials, the Hunger Games series, Angels and Demons and the Da Vinci Code... I will never re-read them. I liked the Mass Effect series, Final Fantasy VII-X, the Witcher series... I replay them all the time. To me, an engaging game is far better than an engaging book because I'm involved in the plot and outcome. It's personal preference of course. I've nothing against books.

    Exactly correct. It feels like 10 years of story lines were mixed and muddled and no one knew which direction they wanted. It was a huge disappointment after the years of development hell.
     
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    My problem is that if I don't get back into it soon, I'll never play it again with March right around the corner with the Switch, Zelda and then April with Persona.

    I tried last night but I ran around for a few minutes and then just turned it off.