Community Final Fantasy Series Thread

Discussion in 'General Game Help & Discussion' started by Warp, May 10, 2015.

  1. Jon

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    Instead, they are just killing the series altogether. It's near impossible to get sales numbers to back and theory. Certain FF games have been rereleased so many times, the numbers are skewed. FF7 for example will almost always top charts. I, and many others agree, the quality has gone down since FF10. FF13 sold a TON of copies, but as the first FF game released on a new generation, and the fact it was release on multiple platforms and not just PS, it's not a truly accurate portrayal of how things were. There's no denying the quality has diminished.

    But you're right... the reason they didn't release as different IPs was for the reason they knew they'd sell. Honestly, if FF12, FF13 and FF15 were different IPs (even related like a new FF), I doubt they'd sell because they were simply bad games. But naming them FF... it's false advertising to me. Nothing that made Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy, really appears in any game post-FF10.
     
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    I highly disagree with this. Both 12 and 13 were good games. 13 just never felt like a FF to me. What did it was the abysmal soundtrack, the on-rails story, the funky levelling system and the lack of control of all the characters. Okay, the combat system was horribly designed, with all those damn gauges. Difficult battles took a much longer time than they had to, because I could only chip away at that last two percent of enemy HP, because I was not in overdrive/kill mode or what th heck that was called.
    12 on the other hand had great music and a combat system that allowed for both tactics and leisure. And it had a multitude of great side-quests, something I consider a main staple of the series. I can see why many won't consider it a FF, but I still do. Although it did stray from the path. And it didn't live up to my expectations, but a lot more than 13 did.

    The sad thing is, the 7 remake will probably be a good game, despite surely disappointing to fans, and it will recieve good reviews and seel like hot cake on a sunday, which will remove an incentive from SE ever going back to the roots.
     
  3. Warp

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    12 and 13 are both fundamentally unbalanced games, and while enjoyment can be found in either, I would disagree that they're good games - and even worse Final Fantasy games. 13's battle system is actually pretty awesome, the problem is that it's locked behind 25-30 hours of specifically farming CP, which comes after 10-20 hours of slogging through Chapter 10+'s horrible difficulty spike, which comes after a ~30 hour braindead tutorial segment. The combat is, in fact, the only redeeming part of 13 - and only insofar as The Faultwarrens and 2 or 3 Ci'eth Stone fights were concerned. Common trash mobs should not have had 7-digit HP bars and the staggering mechanic should have been exclusive to bosses and mini-bosses though, absolutely.

    For its part 12 is horribly paced, the entirety of the License Board is toxic and ill-conceived, and again it's riddled with difficulty spikes. Primarily towards the end, where several friends called it quits and I personally had to force myself to continue on (which guaranteed/s I'll never look back favorably). Pretty sure when someone praises 12, it's either because of the Gambit System, the hunts, the exploration, or the still Japanese-only Zodiac re-release.

    Square's wanted to go action-y for nearly a decade now, we were just delaying the inevitable. Even if XV and VII-R flop, they'd scapegoat any number of things before looking at the change in combat or aesthetic.

    XIII and XIV massively damaged this brand; there's an entire generation of kids now that only knows about those two games and the X Remaster if they decided to look more closely. I think that's already going to play a role in the sales department. If XV sells well but is largely torn apart by players, I could see that having a further negative impact on VII - iconic character and name recognition or not.

    The fact that this is a thing amuses me to no end. "The" JRPG series vs a spin-off series of something as old as Final Fantasy, but dozens of leagues beneath it in popularity.  The answer is Persona 5, Square. gowai. 
     
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    Warp echo'd everything I would say. He is absolutely spot on.
     
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  7. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I was in my basement digging out some stuff last night and ran across my box of old video games and consoles. I had to take the time to open my PS1 Final Fantasy cases and look through the 3-4 disks in each one and their game manual... all in near perfect condition. I was absolutely demolished by nostalgia. Part of me wanted to plug the PS1 back in upstairs and run through them... but I didn't...
     
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    Nice to have confirmation, but I think most of us anticipated that. KH3 will release a quarter after FF15, I personally believe. And I think that's coming out Q4, 2016. I'm anticipating a summer release of FF15, maybe July in NA with Japan in June.
     
  10. Warp

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    The Osaka team is full of voodoo wizards and magicked elves, I would still not be surprised if they finished KH3 before Tokyo wraps up FFXV - regardless of which releases first. :p

    Never too late, you should go for it! PS1 FF9 holds up very well on an HD monitor, which surprised me greatly. I... sort of doubt FF8 would, and of course FF7 is FF7. It's gonna look the same regardless of where you put it. :chuckle:

    Then again, I personally don't want to ever play FF8 again. Was my first game in the series and still top 3 for me; there's definitely no way it'll measure up to my memories in any number of ways after ~17 years. :( And now I feel very old...
     
  11. The Eye in the Sky!

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    FF9 is the only game in the series I've played through completely three times. Tactics and FF8 I did twice.

    If I did plug in my PS1, I'd probably go through FF6 for the second time. That actually sounds like fun... I could put my PS3 and 360 into storage for a while.

    I've been doing some winter cleaning this weekend... perhaps I will bring up the 'ol childhood games box this afternoon.
     
  12. Quagmire

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    Why would you need to plug in your PS1? Just use the PS3
     
  13. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I forgot about that. Maybe because of the whole "why can't Sony just do backwards compatibility" thing, I forgot PS1 games work.

    Either way, I brought up my PS2 for old time's same and these games!

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  14. Lacarus

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    The boxart for my PAL versions of VII, VIII and IX is musch different. It's just the logo on a white background.
     
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    I couldn't get into Lunar 1, never played the second one
     
  16. The Eye in the Sky!

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    Lunar 2 was probably the most technically perfect RPG I've ever played. Partially because it was a sprite based, 16-bit type game built on more modern hardware. Everything about the game from the battle system, cinematics to just overall controls were silky smooth.

    That is a original limited edition that has a hardbound director's artbook, world map, pop up character trinket collection, pendant necklace, soundtrack, mini strategy guide and bestiary. The only thing I've ever opened was the actual game portion. It's a beautiful package.

    I played FF9 the other night up to the end of the petrified forest for probably the 50th time. The game has the best opening sequence in the series history.
     
  17. Lacarus

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    Wow, this place is incredibly inactive. I thought it was just this thread, but whenever I checked the forum, this one never moved down the list.

    A bit off topic, Rachel, you spoke earlier of an interesting RPG you and Rick enjoyed. I'm very interested in hearing which it was.
     
  18. Jon

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    At the moment there are probably less than a dozen people who actively check and post on the forms. The most active threads, I'm finding, are the political ones.
     
  19. Rachel

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    it was Divinity Original Sin. Rick and I played it co-op. Apparently it is a "CRPG" (computer RPG?).

    We finished the game on Valentine's day. That's our tradition, play a co-op on that day.

    Trying to think of any FF news...I heard FFXV might get another demo? Not sure if that's true though.
     
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    I am hopefully moving house in June so should be going on a major gaming spree (and should have disposable income again once the deposit is paid). I was playing 10 and enjoying it, but there's an issue with the disc and it keeps screwing up dialogue and freezing.
     
  21. Lacarus

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    Nice, it's on my wishlist, but so far it's too expensive for me (I'm rather cheap about Steam games since I already have 370 games in my library).

    A cRPG is kind of subgenre of computer adaptations of tabletop RPG's. I don't know the system of Divinity: Original Sin, but I haven't heard of any tabletop RPG called Divinity.
     
  22. The Eye in the Sky!

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    Divinity Original Sin was pretty cool because it was like a Baldur's Gate type game but still had a turn based battle system.

    I played it for about 30 hours and then just stopped. It was fun but I usually get uninterested in this style after a bit because I like strong narratives.
     
  23. Lacarus

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    But Baldur's Gate is also turn-based? It's just automatic and dynamic, but the characters act in turn, I assure you.
     
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    Not what I meant. Literally nothing happens in battle in divinity until you prompt it.
     
  25. Rachel

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    so how 'bout that Kingsglaive huh

    playing the new demo tonight



    Edit: also I guess here is the first anime episode, haven't watched it yet but I guess I will when we're home

     
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    With the release in September, looks like I'll be getting (most likely) a ps4. I'm pretty pumped for this game



    This trailer is awesome
     
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    i went to Gamestop to pre-order a game, they asked if i was pre-ordering FF[whatever]. I laughed, and said "no, a good game- Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel 2; I'll pre-order Persona 5 when it becomes offered."

    I still have no interest in ANYTHING Final Fantasy. Anime, games, love pillows, karoke machines, etc...
    i've still not seen Advent Children...
     
  28. Rachel

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    alright. I'm not sure why you posted that you hate Final Fantasy in the Final Fantasy thread but alright

    Anyway I played the demo last night. It's a lot shorter than the other one, about half an hour. I didn't bother to explore everything. They are definitely shaping the story to be a "father/son" thing, especially knowing about the movie.

    Also the anime suggests the whole thing is going to be one fat bromance but I think we knew that already

    Here's a link to the different editions:

    https://store.na.square-enix.com/product/398306/final-fantasy-xv-ultimate-collector-s-edition-ps4

    holy shit the ultimate collector's edition is $280

    Only 30,000 copies are available and there are already scalpers on eBay (which are probably being removed)

    I will probably get the deluxe edition, I have Advent Children on DVD and I guess I might as well get this movie too

    I'm also hearing something like Square will have to move 10 million units to do well. FFXIII sold 11 million for ALL THREE TITLES. FFVII has sold 11 million TO DATE.

    http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/03/31/final-fantasy-15-needs-to-sell-10-million-copies-to-succeed
     
  29. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I did not enjoy the demo at all... the gameplay felt really boring and I just didn't quite like the battle system. I'd say I'd give it another look later on but I just didn't like it.
     
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    reminded me of the period in the first Kingdom Hearts game, BEFORE you get the keyblade

    Yeah it was obviously something quickly cobbled together for a marketing spin at the end, when there's a CTA to buy the game. Take heart, I heard that this demo does not appear in the game at all.

    At least, I really enjoyed the level of detail...different from FFXIII with no towns, no sign of life. Maybe I impress easy but (for example) the level of detail in the wood floor paneling, the different grains and groves...I would have thought they shot video of actual floor wood instead of rendering it.

    I also wondered what collecting those different crystal things did...I got about 186 I think.

    But yeah overall I hope it's not representative of the game, which I don't think it is.