Fallout 4

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  1. The Eye in the Sky!

    The Eye in the Sky! That guy eating pie Moderator Premium Member

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    Nice trailer but still...

    I just feel like they get too much of a pass on these wooden looking and interacting NPCs. I talk to so many people that say things like "they focus on other things to make it great so they can't devote as much time to those features," which is just a terrible excuse to me. So many games have come out this year that actually have characters that show emotion or human characteristics, while being large, fully encompassing games in their own rights. Bethesda is still years behind in that aspect, which I admit, is pretty huge to me when trying to draw me into a universe. It shouldn't take modders to make a game look the way it should, in my opinion.
     
  2. Jon

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    Have you played Elder Scrolls? It's lauded for the emotion the characters show. Fallout hasn't really gotten that for the lack of games in this gen. It was harder to accomplish that with old software without sacrificing far more elsewhere (like the environment, which people spend far more time looking at). Either way, I stand by you will be a convert by Thanksgiving. ;)
     
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    Did you get anything extra for pre-ordering? I keep considering it but haven't found a reason to since i'll likely get a digital copy for PC.
    Bethesda has never been great with animation. They should really hire me and let me fix those facial animation. I just did a whole bunch of them today that look better than what i've seen from this game.

    I mean just look at this girl in the hat not move her mouth while talking. Who knew Fallout was occupied by so many ventriloquist


    Dont get me wrong, still super pumped for this game!!! :yeah:
     
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    Don't think I get anything extra. Good question actually. I will have to look at that.

    You don't really get much emotion from a lot of the characters. I won't disagree with that. A lot of it I put down to the setting, though. These guys and girls have become pretty desensitised to everything.
     
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    I do understand. I guess it's just not something I ever took much notice of. I mean, I knew that Oblivion's faces looked comically awful, that Fallout 3's weren't much better and that the animations were janky when I first played the games. It's obvious from the character creator, which in Fallout 3 in particular was basically impossible to use. But I can't really say they particularly hampered my enjoyment of the games, nor my immersion into the world. They are a weak point, but Bethesda does most things so well that I do end up overlooking it.

    Pre-load is up on PC. 23.8GB download. Greenmangaming are doing 20% off with the code SAVE20-NOVEMB-GAMING , which is probably the cheapest option if you want a key now to pre-load.
     
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    I'm not going to get it right away, but I love having a gaming PC now. I got MGSV at release for 23% off because of GMG, not sure how they afford it as there seems to always be a good coupon, or at least I'm shocked they don't limit it to not be used on new releases/preorders
     
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    Pretty sure the only preorder bonus is Xbox One giving FO3. I've not heard of anything on PS4 or PC. Which is a shame. People don't usually have to preorder anymore. I've never had a situation where I've not preordered and had to wait. Hell I now run into a situation where they are trying to upgrade me because they have collector's editions available.

    I only preorder now if the bonus is worth it.
     
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    I pre-ordered because I needed to pre-load as Bethesda are not including part of the game on the disc, even on PS4 and Xbox One. For the latter it's about 5GB of stuff including the day one patch.
     
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    I'll have to see if they've opened that up so I can background DL that tonight. Thanks for the heads up.
     
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    My coworker that will have a PS4 copy said I can borrow it for a few days if it comes in time before his business trip tomorrow to see if I like it.

    We'll see, though. Not sure why he'd let me unseal the game and play it only to give it back and say I don't want it. Maybe he just assumes I'd like it.
     
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    Thanksgiving.
     
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    I spent most of my lunch watching twitch streams. It looks eh... it really looks like Skyrim with guns. The controls look clunky but Boston looked awesome. The world seems larger than Skyrim, though.

    Reviews are coming in and they all say pretty much what everyone expected - great world, decent gameplay, lacking characterizations, bugs. Basically a review of any Bethesda game.
     
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    What controls do you mean by clunky? Movement? I've seen the non-VATS gunplay which was a major weak point in 3/NV and it looks considerably better, but I've kept away to comment on stuff like general movement.
     
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    I dunno if clunky is the right word but it from a lot of things I saw, turning and moving while in firefights often just seems slow? So many streams I've checked out today had moments in fire fights where they had trouble turning to fight the enemy. It's hard to explain.
     
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    Well, I'll find out soon enough. At least characters do not float when they strafe like in Fallout 3!
     
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    Haha, I saw the comment that someone said "we can finally move diagonally!"

    Not sure what it means but it seems almost silly in this day and age.

    I will admit, the overwhelmingly positive reviews are making me interested.

    Shut up, @Jon
     
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    Had a quick blast. Got to Diamond City. Too early for significant opinions, but the gunplay is definitely a lot better. And the graphics are pretty good overall, albeit with some weak spots.
     
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    THANKSGIVING!

    I went to the midnight release, started downloading the game (because only digital copies could be preinstalled) and fell asleep. So I've not played yet, and I'm angry about it. I need the work day to be over, my kids to be fed, bathed and asleep, and I need to be sitting in front of my 48 inch tv looking at beautifully rendered environments and shooting ghouls in the head...
     
  19. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I've been checking it out today as well but I'm less interested now. Maybe the prerelease hype was getting me going. Seeing some of the videos and stuff just aren't making me want it right now.
     
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    I've played for a fair few hours now and I think the game is generally pretty fantastic.

    The gunplay is certainly a humongous step forward and makes the combat enjoyable even without the use of VATS, which to me is a massive change since it makes clearing out random locations so much more fun. The graphics certainly look nice on my system, albeit they should since I have a 980Ti, and the visual design in general is extremely strong especially in inclement weather. The design of locations is also a lot better, with much bigger and more interesting interiors which are a lot more fun to play in and explore.
     
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    Thanksgiving.
     
  22. The Eye in the Sky!

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    Warned for Spam

    I can do that right?
     
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  23. Jon

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    Sure, if you want.
     
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    I'm hearing the gameplay is improved overall, which I liked well enough anyway.
     
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    I've put in about 12 hours now, or in other words most (i.e. all) of my free time after work. I've made some decent progress in the main quest, done some side missions and met a few (not all) of the factions.

    Firstly, let's get the hot talking point out of the way - the game looks good. Not the most amazing thing ever perhaps, and I know on console (particularly the X1) there are performance issues, but on my high-end PC it holds up well. Saying it is last-gen is complete hyperbole, and there are some elements (lightning storms and the Glowing Sea in particular) that look absolutely phenomenal. The design is also impressive, particularly indoor areas that have seen a great increase in diversity and variety.

    The biggest improvement is in general gameplay. The shooting is basically how it should be in a top-tier FPS and is a joy to play in contrast of F3's silly spread issues, but they've also made VATS relevant in a clever way through the critical hit system. In terms of bugs/glitches, I've had the odd clipping issue and characters wandering around conversations, but in general they've been in the "mild annoyances" category and I haven't had any quest or major pathfinding issues (although Piper likes to jump off tall things, especially the lift to the Mayor's office in Diamond City, which is no harm since companions can't die). The new Power Armour system is really a lot more intelligent and makes it feel like the event it should be, rather than just another set of armour. The new fully voiced character system in my opinion adds a lot to the authenticity, although I don't think I've played enough to determine if the depth of choice is affected. Likewise, whilst base building is a lot of fun I haven't played it enough to judge its impact on the game.

    The other major improvement is the main story. Fallout 3 and Skyrim's kinda sucked, for lack of a better term, and whilst not as bad the one in Oblivion could have been better. Fallout 4 on the other hand has a much stronger narrative which is not only more compelling by itself but fits in closely with the events of the wider Commonwealth, something that both Fallout 3 and Skyrim sorely lacked. It helps that in the Institute and the Railroad they have extremely interesting groups, and I'm interested in a way that I wasn't with previous Bethesda games, e.g. Skyrim where I actually thought the Civil War stuff was the main quest for an embarrassing length of time and only finished the actual main quest some 18 months after the game came out. Also, Nick Valentine is cooler than any of those forgettable twerps from Fallout 3's main story.

    There are other things I like about the game. As always, the world design is great and the map is packed with stuff to do. And companions - you get them quickly, about 4 within the first couple of hours of story missions, and I quite like the focus on companionship within the game. The AI isn't the best and they'll usually get knocked out, but the dialogue they bring can make it worth it, and as always they'll carry a whole ton of junk.

    So, a bit of a ramble, but if you want a tldr I'm pretty happy with the game. It has its flaws, but I think it does make meaningful improvements over previous games and is a lot of fun. Sadly my time is more limited from tomorrow, but I'm looking forward to exploring a lot more until the story is inevitably spoiled by an errant click.
     
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    Great insights. Thanks for that. Not sure if my co-worker is back from his trip yet but maybe I'll get to borrow the game this week.
     
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    Mine still hasn't arrived. I'm hoping to have it for this weekend. Can't believe anybody wants to play the game without VATS.
     
  28. Jon

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    :devil:

    I like VATS. I use it a lot. It's great reactionary move too. Gives you that extra second to think. I like the FPS too, though, because sometimes, sniping is just more fun.
     
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    VATS is great for the crits which can't miss. But using the laser rifles outside of VATS is just too satisfying!
     
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    You like piles of ash and goo too!?