Fallout 4

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  1. dimmerwit

    dimmerwit Tremendously High Energy Member Premium Member

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    We had a hype thread, but I feel with the game's release now less than 2 weeks away it is time for a proper thread.

    Major news so far
    Trailer
    E3 demonstration
    "The Wanderer" live-action trailer
    Launch trailer
    Quake-con summary (footage not released - some bootleg recording released, but not worth watching)
    Game Informer - The Making of Fallout 4

    The Art of Fallout 4
    Facing the Music in Fallout 4
    Bringing Voice to Fallout 4
    The Graphics Technology of Fallout 4

    S.P.E.C.I.A.L. video series
    Character system video
    Fallout Shelter 1.2 (feat 10 seconds of F4 footage)
    Baseball!

    Trophies/Achievements
    More-spoilery version (not huge, but you might infer some details from the trophy names)
    Less-spoilery version (from reddit)

    Either way, there is an achievement called "Masshole", so all is well.
     
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  2. Gorge

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    A co-worker and I have been hyping each other up about this game since its announcement saying we're going to quit our jobs and never leave the house again. We're going to pre-order it this week even though I don't think there's any real point to it since they don't give you anything extra.
    Did anyone pre-order the Pip Boy edition? I didn't want to spend $150 on a game, but that thing has been selling out too quickly and they dont have any plans to make more.

    As part of my mental preparation for the game I've been trying to decide if I want to do guns, lasers or melee. In New Vegas I went with lasers so im thinking guns this time around although melee sounds like a pretty funny way of going through the game.
     
  3. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I dunno... I've never played a Fallout before and it just seems overwhelming. The only reason I'm considering it is a coworker preordered it on PS4 and XB1 then sold his PS4 a week later. He offered the PS4 preorder to me for $45 on release day.

    I've never been a big fan of post apocalyptic settings so I'll probably pass but part of me is curious about all the hype.
     
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    Pre-ordered it from Amazon the second it was available. Only cost about $139 after taxes. I asked myself if it was really worth it, then answered, "FUCK YEAH! IT TURNS YOUR PHONE INTO A PIP BOY!!!".
     
  5. dimmerwit

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    I generally end up going guns first and transitioning to energy weapons as well, but a melee run does sound like a lot of fun.

    If you enjoyed the Witcher then this does at least have superficial similarity in that it's a largely character driven game which sees you join different factions and do a ton of original side-quests. I wouldn't really call it overwhelming in that you can always do what I used to do and just enjoy the game on normal difficulty where you don't need to do much more than keep picking up new and better guns.

    Pip-boy edition does look pretty neat, but I have far too much crap and I don't think it would look nice with my small iPhone 4S anyway.
     
  6. Gorge

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    While I never did it I had a friend tell me that at least in Fallout 3 and New Vegas if you did a melee focused character you could use VATS to cheat the game. Basically you would target an enemy in VATS, do a melee attack on them and through VATS you could charge enemies and get close without having to dodge bullets.

    I just think it'd be hilarious to attack everyone wearing a dress swinging whatever club you have like a mad man. If only NPC's had dynamic reactions to how the character acts. They see a man run at them in a dress swinging a club, they freak out and turn tail.
     
  7. The Eye in the Sky!

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    So is it similar to Skyrim in terms of open worldness where the narrative is less structured and the popularity comes from being able to just run around and do whatever you want? I did mostly enjoy Skyrim because of that but I lost interest in the main story quickly because it felt almost unnecessary in terms of the world around it. I felt the NPCs were just not very good or interesting.

    I know I can't compare it to the Witcher because its in a different class of storytelling but the thing that kept me playing was the characters.
     
  8. Jon

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    As an Xbox One user, I am quite happy I am getting Fallout 3 as well.

    It is significantly closer to Elder Scrolls than Witcher. Could be because they are both made by Bethesda, but regardless, if you've played an Elder Scrolls game and enjoyed it, you'll enjoy Fallout. More mutants, less magic.

    Story does get lost sometimes. Especially if you're like me and finish all possible side quests before doing anything with main story quests. Full voice acting for the main playable character should be quite refreshing though.
     
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    @The Eye in the Sky! Yeah its similar in gameplay to Skyrim in almost every way. You have a big open world and you're free to do whatever quest you want in almost whatever order. Fallout does have an obvious focus on guns or ranged weapons and it has the VATS system which takes the combat and turns it into a turn based system instead of a shooter. So there is that extra layer of strategy they add to it as you can target specific limbs and look at percentages to hit for each of those limbs.

    Fallout also seems to have a more goofy tone than the Elder Scrolls series. Having only played New Vegas I enjoyed the story in NV more than the one in Skyrim. Fallout has also always offered way cooler more in depth companions. In ES they're pretty much just pack mules but in Fallout they're pack mules with backstory. If you like Elder Scrolls though it wouldnt be a stretch at all to get into Fallout.
     
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    Gotcha. I'm still on the fence with this one. I guess I'll wait until the first impressions start coming around before deciding. I dropped 81 hours into Skyrim before quitting because the combat just got boring and the same dungeons kept popping up. It'd be nicer if the NPCs had a little more personality. I think if they do in Fallout 4, I might pick it up.
     
  11. Jon

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    If you liked New Vegas, play Fallout 3. It's vastly superior in about every way. New Vegas was more like... a side game.
     
  12. dimmerwit

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    It's pretty similar in that respect. I mean, it is a Bethesda game running on the same engine, so superficially the game is basically the same as Skyrim in that you run around an open world and do quests. I think the narrative in Fallout is a lot stronger. I agree about Skyrim - I actually thought the Civil War stuff was the main storyline until a disturbing amount of time into the game, and the main storyline left me kind of empty. Fallout on the other hand had a better main story with much more direct ties to the world.

    In general, I prefer the characters as well. The Fallout universe is good in creating diverse groups of people, from large organisations like the NCR and the Brotherhood of Steel to little ragtag gangs like Little Lamplight, the Republic of Dave and (in F4) the Minutemen. You get a pretty eclectic bunch of people, and it's great in that you never really know a group's motives or purpose until you stumble across them.

    I wouldn't say that. I think the Capital Wasteland is a stronger environment than the Mojave Wasteland and I wasn't so keen on the branching main quest, but the writing is better and the characters more interesting in NV. Also, the Vaults that you stumble across were generally much more interesting.
     
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    See I liked the quests in 3 better than NV. Significantly. I found the Courier in NV to be a much worse story than the PC in 3. But, all these things are subjective. I shouldn't have been so definitive in my statement, though. Instead I should have specified that in my case, I found 3 to be vastly superior. I enjoyed NV immensely, but I found 3 to be better.
     
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    I played a little bit of Fallout 3 but everything i've been told is that NV is the better of the two. From what im told VATS in F3 is almost forced on the player and that the story in NV is stronger. That said i'm also a big fan of Obsidian and I believe they have some of the best story telling ability in video games despite how buggy their games can be.
     
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    Say what?

    Fallout 3 and NV are amazing. You should try and pick them up cheap if you can. I'm not a big post apocalyptic type person, but these games are quite fun. I don't think you'll be too overwhelmed if you can handle Elder Scrolls games

    I agree with @Jon I found 3 to be better. The world in 3 was cooler IMO. I still want to replay FONV, waiting for DLC cheap sale on steam
     
  16. dimmerwit

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    The only issue is that they both feel dated. They're still enjoyable but I'd recommend starting with F4.
     
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    The good news is that while the stories coincide with each other, you won't be lost if you jumped in on 4. You could theoretically jump in on any of the 5 games (1, 2, 3 NNV or 4) and not be lost. 1 and 2 are stupidly dated at this point. But 3, NV and obviously 4 (I'm assuming) are still more than playable.
     
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    I dont think they feel very dated

    Now the original 2, definitely, but I think FO3 and NV still hold up
     
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    Well, the game is now in some people's hands, in particular streamers. There are unboxings on YouTube of the Collector's Edition and a few other bits, e.g. this shot of the main menu.

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    So watch out for spoilers, since whilst there is no doubt a solid NDA in place details could potentially leak.
     
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    Just replace "my birthday tomorrow" with "Fallout 4's release."
     
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    Well, leaks are all over the place. I'll admit to seeing a few screenshots but all of stuff we've already seen, and so I'm resisting...just.

    If you're resisting as well, then Bethesda have some nice new shots here.
     
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    Jesus, those graphics are just... amazing. The detail is so lifelike. I know that the game itself won't be THAT sharp, but still, I'm impressed. And I'm hard to impress.
     
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    Like I said, I saw a bit of leaked stuff involving interiors and they looked fantastic as well. Great art style and levels of detail.
     
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    Pre-ordered it a couple of days ago. It's the first game that I have been genuinely excited about in a while.
     
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    The Pip-boy app is out now. Contains the map and some other stuff.
     
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    I've seen things that are downright bad looking. I saw someone run from one end of the map to the other and I thought the world looked... blah? NPCs looked really bad at some points.

    But the art direction is pretty awesome. I'm still on the fence, leaning towards not getting the game but I'd like to hear what people think of the story/characters/quests first.
     
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    By Thanksgiving, you will be playing the game and wondering why you didn't get more excited about it. :p
     
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    You shut up, sir. I've never played a Fallout or even seen the appeal of them. The only reason this one is a possibility is because Boston.
     
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    Besides, if he wants to see a post-apocalyptic, degenerated Boston he can just wait until the Giants beat the Patriots in the Superbowl...again.

    On graphics, I don't know. The streams I've seen are not the best quality so it's unfair to fully judge - as I showed with the first trailer, even YouTube at 1080p loses a heck of a lot of fine detail from source footage. I don't think it'll be the best looking game ever, but from the screens Bethesda have released and the footage I've seen it still looks good. Bethesda have always had a rough time with faces and animations, so whilst they aren't top of the class it's pleasing to see they aren't embarrassingly bad this time.
     
  31. Jon

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    I'm on record. We shall see, future convert. We shall see.