Building a Gaming PC

Discussion in 'Computers, Smartphones & Tablets' started by Gorge, Jun 9, 2014.

  1. dimmerwit

    dimmerwit Tremendously High Energy Member Premium Member

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    The GTX 980 Ti has just come out, offering near Titan performance for 1/3 less money. Anandtech's review had the 980 Ti just 3% behind the Titan, so aside from the VRAM (6GB vs 12GB) there's basically no practical difference and even at 4K no game currently out sees VRAM use at 6GB yet alone 12.

    As a sensible consumer I'm going to give AMD a chance to respond as they're finally unveiling their 300-series cards at E3 and it's worth waiting to see what they come up with. But it has to be really good to stop the 980 Ti from being my new card.
     
  2. Jawneh

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    With the 980 Ti, I'm waiting for the lesser 960 to go down in price. $200 right now isn't too bad, or the $220 for a 4gb one, but I'd rather pay like $150 or less for one. My old one fried up not too long ago and my PSU was also making awful sounds under load, so with those two I don't want to kill myself.

    BTW @Gorge, why didn't you get a nice 4k monitor instead? Or were you even considering one?
     
  3. dimmerwit

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    The AMD launch is more likely to affect 960 prices. When the 980 Ti launched Nvidia dropped the 980 a little bit to give it a bit of relevancy in the market but they didn't change the 970's price and I can't see that the 960 has changed either.

    Potential 980 Ti purchasers aren't looking in the 960's price bracket so it makes no sense to change prices, but AMD's new lineup will certainly stray into the $200 zone and could potentially give Nvidia a reason to drop prices.
     
  4. Gorge

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    Thus is the way of the computer. You have maybe 6 months on top before being dethroned. Although anyone that owns a 970 doesn't really have much of a reason to look for a new card. The differences I don't think are large enough to consider upgrading. Not for another few years.

    I wasn't really considering it at the time. It was primarily a cost reason and I was just trying to get the thing built, but maybe within another year i'll look into 4k. Right now its still pretty new and expensive. I don't trust those cheap Korean 4k monitors, if im going to do it im going to do it right.
     
  5. Gorge

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    HSF Install update.

    The headsink and fan came in today! Took about an hour but I got the case dusted out and the new fan installed. It was a pretty simple process aside form Noctua having really awful names for all the hardware, such as N6-L17 screw, making it difficult to know what they were talking about. It also turns out the stock HSF had really poor thermal paste coverage. When I took the stock fan off the processor the coverage was spotty and thin at best. Possibly one of the reasons I was running a little warm.

    Played some Witcher 3 with the fan as well and had some pretty good results. I couldn't even hear the fan this time around almost doubted it was even on. CPU monitor showed max temp to be 70c which is 10-12c cooler than the max temp with the stock fan. Still warm but nothing I was worried about. The HSF itself does fit on my mobo but just barely leaving maybe 1mm between the bottom fan and the RAM. But it works and Noctua has that as one of the suggested orientations. The difference between my stock fan and this new one is night and day. Definitely worth the upgrade.
     
  6. dimmerwit

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    So the Fury X embargo lifted and whilst the card is decent it's not quite as good as the 980Ti, so I'll be ordering one of those.
     
  7. The_Mess

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    I'd more inclined to go with the Fury though, if I had the cash.

    And the R7 370's looking like a very, very nice replacement for my HD6850 1GB with it's dying fans. Was thinking of grabbing a second hand HD7950 off ebay instead, but the performance difference is worth the extra cost and it actually costs slightly less than my old card did. Still NZ$370 though, but if I'm able to work 3+ days a week that's easily doable.
     
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    It was a close call, but the 980 Ti has clearly stronger performance at 1080p and 1440p and is virtually identical at 4K, more consistent performance (95th percentile etc), lower power consumption and proven overclocking overhead.

    The watercooler on the Fury X is nice to see as a reference design and HBM is unquestionably the standard of the future, but I think AMD have a bit of work to do on the driver side and overclocking prospects are impossible to judge since the voltage is locked. In fact, given the cooling design despite the watercooler people might run into trouble overclocking the Fury X as the fact there's watercooling over the GPU and memory means there's no effective cooling solution for the VRMs. Even disregarding that, I still think the best case scenario is that it overclocks similarly to the 980Ti and so performance ends up at a similar level.
     
  9. Gorge

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    Surprise update!

    After not really messing with my computer much since installing the new heat sync about a year ago I went ahead and got some more RAM today. I was originally hoping for 32gigs but even for DDR3 it was surprisingly still pricey for that much and looking at upgrading to 16gigs with two 8gig sticks was also a little out of my price range at the moment. In the end I went and got 2 more 4 gig sticks of the Kingston Hyper FuryX that I already have to make my total RAM 16gigs.

    RAM:
    Kingston HyperX FURY 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 - $48.99 (cyber monday price) + $4.90 off through a promo code.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104710
     
  10. Jon

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    Other than going with an i7 a couple years ago, I would have said that was a great PC. Unless you were planning on doing programming or design, there was no real need for an i7 over an i5 and could have saved around $100 with the same speed. But it's worth the investment. Would say the same about the extra 8 GB of RAM as the processor. But that was a great deal.

    Overall, it's a great build I'm sure you've been happy with. It was a beat two years ago without a TON of enhancements in tech, it probably still is.

    I built my gaming PC about the same time as you and got a lot of the same parts. I spent less on my case, CPU and GPU and more fans and spent around $1100 total on it.
     
  11. Gorge

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    Its held up pretty well and I can still play just about every game in Ultra without frames dropping much below 50-60. Since my monitor doesn't have a great refresh rate I do have my v-sync enabled with all my games to avoid screen tearing.

    I also do 3D Art/Animation as my job and part of the reason I built this computer was so I could do that stuff at home as well as work. So the Processor and 16gigs of RAM have a purpose. I also wanted to future proof the machine as best I could within a budget. I mention it elsewhere but in total this build was about $1400...I guess about $1440 now with the RAM upgrade. That price also included other things you only really need to buy once like a surge protector, monitor, DVD drive, HD (assuming they dont fail for a long time)

    The only other thing I can really think to upgrade with this computer at least in terms of improvement and not power, if that makes sense, is to get some better fans for the case. I talked about upgrading them a while ago but never got around to it so i'm still using the cheap case fans with that faulty switch that causes a BSOD if I turn the case fans up too high.
     
  12. Jon

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    Yeah, I was able to play Witcher 3 in ultra without issues at all on my rig and as I said, many of the same parts. I have a decent monitor, that pulls 60 fps routinely. But, regardless, glad to see that it's worked out for you.

    There you go. An i7 and 16 gigs of RAM are definitely worth the price for you, as opposed to me. I am not into any animation like that so it wasn't worthwhile to me. My $1100 cost included things like you, as well as to OS and such.

    I would certainly recommend it. Fans make more of a difference in performance than you know. I bought six fans for mine that were about $12 each (because I got red LED fans). Two on top, two in front, one in back and one in the bottom. Then there are the other fans like the heat sink, power supply and GPU that run. My PC never gets above 30-35 degrees Celsius. It makes a HUGE difference.