NHL Boston Bruins Offseason Rumors and Discussion

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  1. Jon

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    Long thread incoming! Be warned, lol.

    So with the NHL Draft tonight in Sunrise, Florida, there are tons of rumors floating about. The Bruins need help everywhere and need cap relief like a bad bout of acid indigestion. I figured there are enough of us from the area to have some discussion regarding some of those rumors and the fallout from it.

    I guess the first thing to mention is the official cap increase to $71.4 million (up from $69 million), an increase of $2.4 million, which is great news for the Bruins. Though the cap floor does not affect the Bruins directly, it may have an impact for them in terms of moving pieces in salary dumps. This has increased from $51 million last season, to $52.8 million this season, for an increase of $1.8 million. The Bruins do have an adjusted salary cap number of $70.55 million due to a hold over $850k from last season when Dougie Hamilton met performance bonuses.

    Also, the first official move the Bruins made this offseason was the trade of Carl Soderberg's UFA rights to Colorado Avalanche for a 6th round draft choice next year (2016).

    There have been multiple rumors swirling around the Bruins going into tonight, where it is IMPERATIVE that Don Sweeney not only improve the team through the draft, but also doing it while shedding cap space to make more moves through the offseason.

    I think the most logical start to this is to first establish where the Bruins currently sit in cap structure. Currently, the Bruins sit at ~$64.2 million committed to 16 players, leaving them around $6.4 million in space to round out about 7 roster spots (yikes!). So here is the breakdown of lines and 2015-2016 committed salary to those players. I'm going to call up some AHLers (or use last year salaries in terms of RFAs) to round out the roster, just as an FYI, so this is going to show them over the cap. Keep in mind, in the offseason, teams are allowed to exceed the cap by 10%, or $7.1 million. (These are not necessarily the lines, just depth chart-wise where they sit.)

    LW C RW
    Lucic ($6m) Krejci ($7.25m) Eriksson ($4.25m)

    Marchand ($4.5m) Bergeron ($6.875m) Smith ($3.425m)

    Ferlin ($875k) Kelly ($3m) Pastrnak ($925k)

    Talbot ($875k) Spooner ($750k) Connolly ($187k)

    LD G RD
    Chara ($7m) Rask ($7m) Hamilton ($1.75m)
    Seidenberg ($4m) Subban ($860k) Krug ($3.4m)
    Miller ($850k) Morrow ($860k)

    Savard - $4m

    Excuse the layout, it looks better when typing it. It doesn't traslate to the post and I don't know how to fix it, so bear with it. Some of these numbers have been rounded for simplicity sake. And with 3 RFAs set for big pay increases, the numbers aren't perfect. But add these numbers and you get: $68,632,000 cap. If we remove the salaries for Spooner, Hamilton and Connolly (the RFAs), we get about $66 million cap number. This leaves the Bruins $5 million to resign Hamilton, Spooner and Connolly and improve the team. This is what is known as cap jail.

    So, now that THAT is out of the way, let's talk rumors.

    Milan Lucic and his $6m cap hit is the most common person in these trade rumors. The teams and players primarily that are being heard as as follows:

    • New York Rangers - Keith Yandle ($2.625m): Yandle is a local boy who is oft-rumored in moves involving the Bruins. I like Yandle, but I do NOT like this trade. First, Lucic doesn't fit the Rangers' scheme at all. Second, I don't think this is nearly as good as some of the other deals out there. I'm not a fan.
    • Vancouver Canucks - Alexander Edler ($5m): I like Edler more than Yandle, but I hate that cap number. To save $1m on Edler doesn't seem very logical, but I would be ok with this for the most part. According to reports, this is the deal that Chiarelli nearly had worked out last trade deadline, but chose not to do because he thought they needed Lucic for the playoff run.
    • Arizona Coyotes - Part of a larger deal involving the #3 overall pick in tonight's draft in which the Bruins would likely use to draft BC 18 year old stud defenseman, and the top defenseman pick tonight, Noah Hanifin. I would shit a brick for this. This would be the best use of Lucic. Arizona is likely also going to ask for the #14 overall (and potentially the early second rounder the Bruins have as well, but I would see if they would be willing to take on someone like Chris Kelly and his contract as well. Maybe even another contract. As of right now, Arizona has 11 players under contract and nearly $24 million in cap UNDER THE CAP FLOOR! If anything, they are the most obvious destination for Boston to not only improve, but dump off a chunk of salary. Couple picks, couple roster players, adding a potential STUD as well? Oh yes please let this be true. Malcom Subban would also move in this trade, and I'm fine with that.
    Those are the three most often mentioned rumors, however, there is another major rumor swirling now, too.

    Rumor has it, Chiarelli has reached out to Sweeney about potentially trading for Dougie Hamilton. It's almost guaranteed that Edmonton is going to offer Hamilton an RFA contract that the Bruins are just not going to be able to match (rumor has it in the $5-6m per year range!). So, just like Toronto did with Phil Kessel, it seems he's willing to make a deal for Hamilton, to retain his exclusive rights prior to July 1. Now while I would say screw it, take the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounder you would get from Edmonton and hope they suck again, you can potentially make more from trading him now. If you can perhaps get Taylor Hall for Hamilton, don't you at least consider it? I would make sure I try to get more than that as well, because straight up, I don't do that. Hall and a 1st? Ok. Find a way to get Hall and Eberle? I'm in. I ONLY do this if I'm able to do the Arizona trade above. Hamilton is a good defenseman. I like him. I want him and losing a proven top 4 defenseman is tough. But I'll swap Hamilton if I get Hanifin. All these moves involve other pieces, of course. I don't expect Hamilton for Hall and a 1st. I just don't have ideas right now as to whom else would move.

    What do you guys think? Have you heard more rumors I have not? I'll keep this post updated with offseason moves from the Bruins to discuss.

    • 6/25/15 - C Carl Soderberg (UFA) traded to Colorado Avalanche for 2016 6th Round draft pick.
    • 6/26/15 - D Dougie Hamilton (RFA) traded to Calgary Flames for 2015 1st Round draft pick (15th overall), 2015 2nd Round draft pick (45th overall) and 2015 2nd Round draft pick (52nd overall).
    • 6/26/15 - D Adam McQuaid resigns for 4 years, $11 million ($2.75m average annual cap hit).
    • 6/26/15 - LW Milan Lucic (1 year, $6 million) traded to Los Angeles Kings for 2015 1st Round draft pick (13th overall pick), G Martin Jones (RFA) and D Colin Miller ($600,000). Boston also retains $2.7 million of Lucic's 2015-2016 salary.
    • 6/26/15 - In 1st Round Bruins select D Jakub Zboril (13th Overall), LW Jake DeBrusk (14th Overall) and RW Zachary Senyshyn (15th Overall).
    • 6/27/15 - In 2nd Round Bruins select D Brandon Carlo (37th Overall), C Jakub Forsbacka Karlsson (45th Overal) and D Jeremy Lauzon (52nd Overall).
    • 6/27/15 - In 3rd Round Bruins select G Daniel Vladar (75th Overall).
    • 6/27/15 - In 4th Round Bruins select LW Jesse Gabrielle (105th Overall).
    • 6/27/15 - In 6th Round Bruins select C Cameron Hughes (165th Overall).
    • 6/27/15 - In 7th Round Bruins select C Jack Becker (195th Overall).
    • 6/29/15 - 2017 3rd Round draft pick traded to Philadelphia Flyers for F Zac Rinaldo ($850k).
    • 6/30/15 - G Martin Jones (RFA) traded to San Jose Sharks for 2016 1st Round draft pick and rights to F Sean Kuraly (Unsigned).
    • 7/1/15 - C Ryan Spooner resigns for 2 years, $1.9 million ($950k annual cap hit).
    • 7/1/15 - F Reilly Smith ($3.425m) and C Marc Savard ($4m) traded to Florida Panthers for F Jimmy Hayes (RFA).
    • 7/1/15 - F Matt Beleskey signs for 5 years, $19 million ($3.8m).
    • 7/1/15 - G Jeremy Smith resigns for 1 year, $600k (Two-Way Contract).
    • 7/2/15 - D Chris Breen resigns for 1 year, $600k (Two-Way Contract).
    • 7/6/15 - F Jimmy Hayes signs for 3 years, $6.9 million ($2.3m).
    • 7/6/15 - F Brett Connolly resigns for 1 year, $1.025 million ($1.025m).
    • 7/6/15 - F Brandon DeFazio resigns for 1 year, $575k (Two-Way Contract).
    • 7/10/15 - D Matt Irwin signs for 1 year, $800k ($800k).
     
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  2. Jon

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    Copied from another thread. I think it contains important information.

    Yeah I just started a massive rumor/discussion topic because there are going to be a lot of moves, I feel, today and in the coming weeks. I heard about those rumors as well (only Lucic and Hamilton swapped on the rumors). But still, things are getting... interesting. And exciting. I worry about Hanifin and Hall here. Think of the last 2 top 10 picks in Boston: Phil Kessel and Tyler Seguin. Neither could play for Julien and both were traded. I loved the Kessel trade (which netted us Seguin and Hamilton). But the Seguin trade Boston got absolutely FLEECED on. Now we may not have Hamilton either? Elite talent comes to die under Claude Julien, another reason I wanted him gone.

    *EDIT* I just did the actual math. $6 million per season for Soderberg? Wow... that's just... wow...

    *EDIT 2* It was for 5 years. That's still $4.75 million per season for essentially a third line center. Not to mention they gave him full no trade clause for the first 2 years, and limited the last 3. Holy crap he made out good. Does he have the Scott Boras of hockey as an agent?
     
  3. The Eye in the Sky!

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    WHAT THE HELL.

    Hamilton was just traded for the 15th, 45th and 54th pick.

    What the hell are you doing?! WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD AROUND WHEN CHARA AND SEIDENBERG GET TOO OLD LIKE... TOMORROW?
     
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    WHO IS YOUR DEFENSEMAN OF THE FUTURE? TOREY KRUG?

    I'm so angry right now. I swear to god if Lucic is on this team next year and Hamilton isn't I'm going to stop watching/playing hockey forever.

    You dump Lucic and his 1 year left for those picks. Hamilton is worth waaaaaay more than that return. Give Hamilton Luc's 7M this year and go from there. Unless they have a surprise move in the bag, not only is next year looking mediocre but their future looks worse.
     
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    So yeah, Lucic is likely gone. The Hamilton trade is bad enough, but I could forgive it if they had plans to move up to 3 in the draft and find a way to get Seabrook from Chicago. Lucic is rumored on the move to LA for the 13th pick and a backup goaltender. Maybe something else.

    *Breaking news as I type this* Lucic for the 13th pick and Marcus Jones (LA backup goalie) and other pieces unknown of yet.

    So now the Bruins have lost Lucic, Hamilton and brought in a backup goalie, two 1sts and two 2nds. The Lucic trade isn't as bad as Hamilton right now. But the worst deal of the day?

    ADAM FREAKIN' MCQUAID RESIGNED FOR 4 YEARS AND $2.75 MILLION PER SEASON!

    Are you KIDDING me with that? You are so tight against the cap, and you sign a 6th defenseman for almost 3 million per season? Oh dear god....

    So the Bruins now own the 13th, 14th, 15th, 37th, 45th and 52nd picks in the first 2 rounds of the draft.

    The ONLY way today ends up as a win for the Bruins is if they get Hanifin, Seabrook and another accomplished scoring winger. Otherwise, this is a MAJOR loss for Sweeney and the Bruins...
     
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    I think the Hamilton trade makes sense since they were expecting an offer sheet. They would of gotten similar draft picks from the sheet.

    Getting a backup goalie is a sign that they don't trust Subban to be the backup this year?
     
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    So Martin Jones, the backup goalie acquired in the Lucic deal, is a RFA who made $550k last season, as an FYI. He is also rumored to have interest from Edmonton Oiler GM Peter Chiarelli if the Oilers cannot land goaltender Cam Talbot. Edmonton also stated they are interested in moving the 16th overall pick. Could this be something? I doubt it, but at this point, they can't be done. Kelly needs to be moved too. And you have too many needs for this to be it. Krug CANNOT BE YOUR #2 DEFENSEMAN.
     
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    It's not bad, provided they get something else with those. Otherwise, they didn't get enough in return. If they are packaging those players, then yes, the Hamilton deal makes sense.

    Getting a backup goalie COULD be a sign of that, but I'd find that it may be more likely Subban is on the move, too. He's got value to some, and that with three 1st rounders and three 2nd rounders, you can get something. Jones may be moved, but he's an RFA that'll make next to nothing.
     
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    *Update* the prospect theorized to be coming in the Bruins deal is defenseman Colin Miller. He's a former 5th round pick of the Kings who won the Calder Cup with the Kings AHL affiliate, the Manchester Monarchs this past season. He had 19 goals and 33 assists.

    They also have to retain $2.7 million of Lucic's contract.

    All said, this is now another loss in the trade. Fail, Sweeney... fail.
     
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    New rumor: Chara to Colorado for Ryan O'Reilly.

    Now it's just silly. Maybe they are going to trade the whole team to Edmonton for McDavid... At this point?
     
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    O'Reilly...eek. I'd feel really bad for Boston if that happened to be true.

    Still, those 1st rounders could add up to a big jump in the draft order? Maybe Coyotes #3?
     
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    The day ended in a HUGE loss for the Bruins. Just HUGE. I'll be honest, if you're going to trade a top 6 forward and a top 2 defenseman who is 22, get NOTHING but draft picks and two depth pieces in return then NOT move up in the draft AND sign a 6th or 7th defenseman to a nearly $3m per season contract? Both Cam Neeley AND Don Sweeney should be absolutely FIRED today. There is NO excuse for what they just did.

    Not to mention they had a BETTER offer on the table from Chiarelli in Edmonton for Hamilton, and just to stick it to him, chose a worse deal they did NOTHING with.

    I'm calling for Neeley and Sweeney's jobs right now unless they trade the farm for Eichel or McDavid TODAY. Since that's not going to happen, explain to me how this is NOT a fireable offense? Especially after Sweeney said before the draft about how trading players before they should was a bad thing (Hamilton, then blaming he was asking too much at $5.5m per season) and that locking into overpaid long term contracts (McQuaid) were problems under Chiarelli.

    Makes me think Neeley is the problem, not Chiarelli.
     
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    Now that I've added those picks to the first post, I see how little they did to improve their team. None will be ready anytime soon and none were considered highly sought after. They really botched this.

    I would have been fine if Sweeney came out and said, "We were left in a bad position, we're going to sell off some pieces to be cap compliant and build towards the future, but expect the next few years to be a rebuilding phase for the team."

    I wouldn't have liked it, but I would have been expecting this. Instead, he told us they planned on being competitive, sold off pieces for dimes on the dollar, and mortgaged the future, too, because there is nothing but a mid-first round pick in the cards next year. Instead if this is all he could muster, he should have let Edmonton sign Hamilton to an offrsheet and taken their first rounders the next couple years and probably hit top 5 picks! He mangled this so badly it's just not even funny anymore.

    With Julien commenting that he's sitting here just letting management do their thing, you think he's happy? He's got even more kids whose futures he can fuck up now!
     
  14. Alu

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    They know this year is a lost cause, which is why they're keeping Julien. They'll use him as a scapegoat (or try to) by saying "We wanted to trade philosophies and he couldn't cut it with this new one" - they were stuck paying for him this season no matter what anyway.

    The next two seasons are going to be absolute shit. Trading Chara is the only thing they should be doing with him...but they need something in return. He's on the way down and won't be nearly as effective and shouldn't be the core defensive player in a few seasons. Get something for him now before it's too late by giving him to a team that thinks they're right on the edge and just need a bit more on defense.

    There are very few people who are actually "safe" right now. Bergeron and Marchand will be around (feel far more confident about Bergy though). Krejci will be as well. Other than that basically all bets are off after looking through this and the previous regime's work...
     
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    Ugh.

    That's all I can really say at this point. Ugh. This just feels like the worst thing that could have happened to the team.

    Oh wait, its RFA tender day. Say bye bye to Connolly now which will render all the compensation for the Boychuk trade null!

    But at least we have McQuaid!

    At least we have the Red Sox.

    ...oh
     
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    You forgot about the celtics!
     
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    I would have been ok with this if that's what they told us they wanted to do. Blowing it up doesn't do ANYTHING. And when you tell your fans you will stay competitive, and THEN blow it up with no reasoning? UGH!

    I don't care if they trade half the team now. They have no scoring, no defense and no one in free agency worth a damn. If this were last year and Connor McDavid was coming out in 2016 draft, I'd wish them all the best and tank for him. This is just stupid. Can't even call it the Jacobs' being cheap because they are STILL in cap jail.

    At this point, sell it off. Get more picks for next season and be done with this.
     
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    Hey at least we just got Zac Rinaldo for a 3rd round pick.

    Welp, I've enjoyed a nice life. See ya later.
     
  20. Alu

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    We're going to have a new GM AND coach soon enough. It'll be wonderful.

    There's a Flyers fan (originally from Philly, so it's okay) who sits next to me at work. Been giving me shit the past few days...especially thanks to...

    http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/1...elphia-flyers-nicklas-grossmann-chris-pronger

    THE EXACT THING I SAID THE BRUINS SHOULD DO WITH SAVARD HAPPENING WITH PRONGER :(
     
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    Remember when Peter Chiarelli was the Bruins GM

    those seemed like nice times
     
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    I think Sweeney is planning on turning the franchise into Edmonton in the hopes of getting the next McDavid.
     
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    I'm starting to think Peter Chiarelli wasn't the problem...

    At least they made offers to Spooner and Connolly.

    But if Spooner signs we have 5 centers, Bergy, Krej, Spooner, Kelly and Rinaldo. No room for Khochlachev? There had better be.
     
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    The Rinaldo trade is abyssmal. It's not as bad as McQuiad for almost $3m per, but right there.

    The Martin Jones trade is a fleecing. This kid was undrafted, wasn't he? He was a backup to Jonathan Quick... is he really worth a 1st? I'll take it though, it's the only thing Sweeney has done right thus far.

    Kelly isn't a Center anymore. He's a winger. He can technically play all three forward positions. He was primarily a LW last year with Soderberg and Eriksson. Rinaldo, I could have sworn was a winger, too. Part of the reason they traded Seguin was he wasn't ever going to play center on this team... Umm... now they are short there.

    AFAIK, Khochlachev can play C or RW. They are direly short on the wing right now. And lack any scoring at all.

    I like the overall result of the Lucic trade, right now, but that Hamilton trade... good god... You could have had a first from EDMONTON next year. And you chose to ignore it. I still can't get over it. Crosby and Gretzky didn't turn their franchises over, overnight. McDavid won't make Edmonton contend next year. They still have shitty D and goaltending over there. I'd have taken Edmonton's deal in a heartbeat and had a potential lottery pick and 3 1st rounders next year. I know he wanted out. That's fine, but they still lost this deal. Tremendously. Sweeney and the Bruins are getting SCHOOLED this summer.

    There is no one in free agency worth crap, and no elite scorers. The Bruins need 2 top 4 defensemen and 2 top 6 wingers who can score. They have negligible assets to trade and no cap room. This is looking really bad.

    But hey, we have Adam McQuaid for 4 years and $2.75m per season!
     
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    Ryan Spooner resigns for 2 years, $1.9m. Kind of disappointed they didn't overpay someone. Is that sad to come to expect that? God forbid you sign Spooner for 4 years and $1m per season. Gotta have the room to give McQuaid almost $3m per year.

    Can you see I'm bitter about that contract? I feel bitter. Do I seem bitter?
     
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    Rinaldo is a center naturally, but also has some experience playing LW.

    People listed as C currently on the roster:
    Krejci
    Bergeron
    Kelly (can play RW/LW)
    Rinaldo (also can play LW)
    Talbot
    Spooner
    Savard**
     
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    Beleskey cap hit is 3.9. I can live with that especially since we got rid of Smith and the Savard contract. Love the move for Hayes as long as the contract is reasonable.

    We don't need defense!
     
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    Ok, Sweeney is starting to garner back a LITTLE bit of my faith. This is a good deal. That's $7.5m off the books for a guy who made $925k last year. He's someone whose never hit potential and is alot like Milan Lucic. Won't score as much, but I'm ok with that. He should get about half of what Smith was making.

    The Beleskey deal I don't like the number much. He's not worth $3.9m per season. And it's another bad contract, especially if long term. It reeks of "this is the best available guy so let's overspend to get him." Beleskey is not a top 6 guy. He essentially replaces Savard, so I guess I can forgive that a bit. I'm willing to play this one out, but I'd rather have seen Beleskey on a short term contract, incentive laden, in a "prove last year wasn't a fluke" type of thing.

    They still need to swing up and get Seabrook, I feel. They need a LEGIT top 4. Then they need one more. Adam McQuaid and Torey Krug cannot be your second pairing. Seidenberg also has to be moved. Or Chara. I don't care which.

    *EDIT* I'd be very happy with adding Cody Frandson and Martin St. Louis. If they made those two signings, traded for Seabrook and dropped either Chara or Seidenberg, I'd feel much better about this season.
     
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    I'm a bit excited about the Beleskey contract if he can continue what he was doing in the playoffs this year. Didn't he have like 8 goals or something in the playoffs alone? Yeah, it's a bit high, but not the worst contract in existence.

    Agree that the trade to Florida was about as good a trade that we could have gotten there. Not only is it a good grab contract wise, especially versus production, but he's also a homegrown talent.


    What a weird day...feeling good about something the Bs did.


    Edit: lol had to update my total goals in the playoffs number a tad there. Still, 8 goals in 16 playoff games is fantastic production.
     
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