NFL And yet...

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  1. Jon

    Jon Official Thread Killer Premium Member

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    People hate this guy with a passion... I don't get it. Are New Englanders the only ones that see this? He's done so much for my company and similar companies state-wide, but yet we never hear about that outside NE. It's all about Spygate, Deflategate and the cheater label.

    The man is one of the more generous athletes I've had the privilege of watching come through NE. Right there with Patrice Bergeron. At least Bergy gets respect.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...s-wish-with-coolest-gift-ever?FTAG=YHF7e3228e
     
  2. shortkut

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    people hate tom brady because he is arrogant everything he does including this, is a calculated move for his public image.

    tom brady gave the truck to malcolm butler because in an interview he was asked "if you win the mvp and get the truck, will you give it to butler because you owe him the victory." after that, he had to give butler the truck. it's not like tom needs another one. The articles written after that make it seem like it was the golden-boy's idea all on his own.
     
  3. Jon

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    Having had him come to my company and talk to the people I serve, he's genuine. People don't see that though. Yes, it's for his image, but he genuinely cares, and people don't believe that. It's not possible to convince people otherwise.

    Brady doesn't make the papers write things a certain way. Papers have agendas. But he really is THAT generous, and most of what he does, does not make it to the news. Is it really that hard to believe that he is a good guy with a heart?
     
  4. The Eye in the Sky!

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    People also liked him because he was a 6th round pick and he had to scrape and claw his way into what he became. It helped him in the beginning because he was never the golden boy like first round picks. People don't like him because all of his soundbites are calculated, shortkut is right. I'm sure he is a good guy but he is so robotic because that is what a Bill Belichick team is, and he is the complete Belichick player. And of course, success breeds envy.

    My offer still stands that I'd leave my wife for him if for some weird reason it was possible.
     
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    Brady went from being a good underdog story to becoming a cocky bastard.
     
  6. Jon

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    This. This is what I do not understand. He's not remotely cocky. Get him talking about something outside football where, Eye is right, it's a Belichick thing, and he' genuine. Saying he's a cocky bastard is evidence you don't listen to him outside a football perspective.
     
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    quoting this for posterity
     
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    quoting to help shortkut's posterity.
     
  9. The Eye in the Sky!

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    The part where he was just a backup and unheralded helped ground him because he was never pumped up to be the greatest when growing up. I've seen first hand toxic ways that high-level recruits are handled and sometimes to round out a better person, adversity helps. Brady was never "the guy" until he was in his mid 20s. A lot of kids start out as these rock stars in high school and it shows as they grow older. People like him because he seemed more like the guy that worked his ass off even though no one thought he'd amount to much so he appreciates what he has.

    Of course it's different now - wildly successful, supermodel wife, rich, good looking... I honestly think its mostly envy and the Belichick way that grates on people. Just make sure you find him a white pool cover and you're okay.
     
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    J.P Losman, Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin, Cade McNown, Ryan Tannehill, Matt Leinart, Rex Grossman, Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Brady Quinn, Alex Smith...

    All first round picks who amounted/have thus amounted to absolutely nothing. These are just the ones I can name off the top of my head that completely agree with your statement. Hell, I'll add Colin Kaepernick into the fold, too. I'm sure if I extend this to 2nd and 3rd round picks, the list would get silly. I want to throw Russell Wilson into this too because I think he's an average QB that is made slightly above average by a great defense. He doesn't win games by himself, and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him to take the team in a two-minute drill to win a game. How can you give a QB Jimmy Graham and turn Graham into a below average TE? The only reason I can't put Wilson in this list is because he won a Super Bowl and lost in the very next one. But that was on the defense, I'm convinced.
     
  11. The Eye in the Sky!

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    I dunno, a not injured Andrew Luck is still really good. I don't think its fair to lump him with those guys. The Colts were 2-14 before he got there and the team still stinks outside of him. Defense in particular. I know the Patriots destroy him but he's taken a very average team to the AFC Championship, Division Round and Wildcard round in his first three years.
     
  12. Jon

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    I lumped him into a crowd of players who did not or not yet amounted to anything. I think that's perfectly fair to put him into, at the moment. He's not yet amounted to anything. He's inconsistent. Part of that is the terrible defense they have there and lack of weapons they've given him as opposed to what they gave Manning. I don't think that's his fault at all, and I'm not saying he won't be the best in that group or even become elite. But right now, he needs to show more. The truly elite QBs do it with less than what Luck has around him. Brees, Brady, Manning, Marino, Rodgers... at some point all won with less than Luck has. Hell, I don't like to admit it, but so did Wilson.
     
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    It took a long time for Manning to be truly successful. He was good in his early seasons, but his team was not... just like Andrew Luck. I think the Colts owner is a moron... that's the only explanation for why he allows his GMs to surround his high profile QBs with such garbage talent. I don't know how Manning made it as far as he did with that garbage O-Line they kept sticking him behind year in and year out in Indy.
     
  14. Jon

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    Because Manning and Brady have the same ability that Luck has been criticized for the lack thereof: quick decisions and getting the ball out quickly. You can see it this year with Brady and the makeshift crap he has to call an o-line (plus the injuries). Manning did that, too. And Luck, especially this year, holds onto the ball too long. He can get better, absolutely. The talent is there. But as of this moment in his career, I assert that my statement is relevant.
     
  15. The JoZ

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    Brady comes off as an arrogant, whiny prick on the field. His constant badgering of officials for flags (and getting them!!) for penalties that would frequently not be granted to other QB's is a big part of why I don't like him.

    I get it, guys are competitive, and uber-winning athletes hate it when they lose. But you ever watch the difference between Peyton Manning, or Brett Favre lose a game and Tom Brady lose a game? Manning in particular often has a stoic, if irritated look on his face if the camera catches him on the sideline. Tom Brady has frequently looked like a 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get his way. Some may chalk that up to "competitiveness", but why is he the only one in his position that I have frequently seen throw these tantrums on the sideline? The pouting, the shouting, the general look of a kid who just got grounded, basically. He's a grown-ass man, he should act like one.

    Brady is far from the only player in the entire league to do this, but he's one of the highest profile people to do so. Dez Bryant is probably the second highest profile these days, but Dez Bryant isn't the QB, so he doesn't get as much of the attention as Brady or any other QB does for their actions.

    Brady is treated like some sort of Boy Scout because of his draft-status-to-Hall-of-Famer resume, but he's far from it, and it agitates a lot of people who are sick and damn tired of him.

    I'm tired of Peyton Manning, too, but Manning's career is clearly in its twilight now. You can say it's because neither of them play for my chosen team, but that's false because I look at guys like Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, who have had long, and more or less successful careers (Rivers less so with no championships, but still) and do not play for the Dolphins, and I don't feel that sense of "Oh good God, stop talking about these guys already, why haven't they retired yet?". But that's the way I have felt about Brady and P Manning for years.

    Brady believes his own hype, and that leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.
     
  16. Jon

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    This is because you're a Dolphins fan. :p

    Brady yells at the refs, but most of the time, if you're an objective fan, he's right. He knows the game. Last night is a good example of it. That OPI on Gronk was stupid. And Brady was telling the ref, if you read his lips, that Gronk "used his shoulder" and what the hell else is he supposed to do while being held." The Chung DPI was bogus. And Brady is a perfectionist. He yells at his receivers and linemen to be at that standard. Manning is the same way. Difference is, it's not stoicism from Manning et al. It's complacency. And that lack of heart is why he's only one one Super Bowl. Manning is just as whiny about calls (or lackthereof). Difference is, Brady get hit just as much as QBs on bad teams. Manning doesn't because he throws it away more and doesn't try to extend plays. If you look it up (I would but I don't know who would have the stats), I'm willing to bet Brady is top 10 in QB hits this year. Not sacks, but hits/knockdowns. Defenses TRY to hit Brady. They TRY to take him out. If I were Brady and I have 11 guys TRYING to hurt me 60 plays a game, I'd want the refs calling the fouls they should be too. Officiating, especially this year, has been atrocious. The Patriots have had only a handful of calls go their way. And yet are 10-1. Would be 11-0 despite that if not for insurmountable injuries.

    Also, Favre complained more than Brady does.